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On Consciousness

Is consciousness physical or metaphysical?

  • Consciousness is a kind of data processing and the brain is a machine that can be replicated in othe

    Votes: 81 86.2%

  • Consciousness requires a second substance outside the physical material world, currently undetectabl

    Votes: 3 3.2%

  • On Planet X, unconscious biological beings have perfected conscious machines

    Votes: 10 10.6%
  • Total voters
    94
  • Poll closed .
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You still haven't answered my original question by the way. Hand waving will not work.
 
Zeuzzz said:
Can you re-phrase this in a more coherent and relevant way. As it stands I have no idea what you are talking about, apart from your reference of a rare chemical.
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So, do you now understand why your question is unanswerable? A rare chemical used in solid state electronics is as relevant to e mail as a trace neurotransmitter is to consciousness.
Need I explain further? Perhaps so.:rolleyes:Germanium is one element used in a vastly complex mechanism making e mail a reality. Dimethyltryptamine putatively functions as a trace amine neurotransmitter/neuromodulator that appears in a vastly complex mechanism that makes "perceptual reality" possible.
Asking, "What part of you perceptual reality do you put down to the endogenous DMT in your brain" is downright silly.

You still haven't answered my original question by the way. Hand waving will not work.
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And for good reason, as you can see from my response above.
 
Good reply PS, im looking into it.

But first I have to ask you have you ever tried elevating the amount of endogenous DMT in your brain to see what happens?
 
Zeuzzz said:
Good reply PS, im looking into it.

But first I have to ask you have you ever tried elevating the amount of endogenous DMT in your brain to see what happens?
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Have you ever tried to elevate the amount of germanium in a computer chip to see what happens?
 
quarky said:
Old hippies used to get high as kites, but we didn't know crap.

I miss us.
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It's called optionality and it is the successful anti-fragile strategy of evolution.

Let them lecture birds how to fly.

I'd rather be dumb with options than clever with none.
 
Zeuzzz said:
I dont have access to it, so no.

Watch this. Made by me.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=490422497683982&set=vb.425490477510518&type=2&theater

Magic mushrooms contain a psychoactive named psilocybin.
psilocybin is converted into psilocin in the human body.
psilocybin is 4-phosporyloxy nn DMT
psilocin is 4 hydroxy nn DMT
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Nice work.

For a different take on McKenna's heuristic on the solution to modernity look up Nassim Taleb. His take is backed by maths, something PM worships.
 
!Kaggen said:
Nice work.

For a different take on McKenna's heuristic on the solution to modernity look up Nassim Taleb. His take is backed by maths, something PM worships.
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Mckenna also worked with Ralph Abraham, an eminent scholar on chaos theory and and randomness in nature, The talks he has with him, Sheldrake and other same minded academics are mind blowing. You quickly realize that even though these people are specialists in their fields they have a kind of more to learn from mckennas life experience, which brigs an entirely new perspective to their knowledge by him simply asking the correct questions and challenging paradigm they adhere to.

For the video in which he speaks to these eminent academics see here:
 
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Zeuzzz said:
If refer you back to my previous question that you ignored:
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This is a mis formed question, the role of what the DMT binds to is a very different question than what does a hallucinogen do.

Serotonin is a better understood pathway, and it has many roles and functions. However if you take psylocibin or LSD it binds to serotonin receptors and causes certain effects.

That does not mean that the role and function of serotonin is hallucinatory.

The endogenous chemical pathway receptors that DMT binds to has a function, just as do the serotonin receptors and the ones that opiates bind to. That does not mean that the function of the alleged endogenous DMT is to talk to fairies.

Considering that it binds predominately to serotonin receptors, its role would be associated with the sertonergic systems, when and if it is an established neurotransmitter.
 
AlBell said:
I'll bite.

If reality isn't a shared hallucination, what is reality?

ps. Those words do have meaning even if you can't find it.
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Considering that hallucination are spurious perceptions unrelated to sensory stimuli, the phrase 'reality is a shared hallucination' is not really meaningful.

Now i you wanted to say that 'many things considered to be reality are cultural and social conventions', I could go along with that.

But most of us do not have spurious perceptions unrelated to direct sensory stimulus, so no most of reality is not a shared hallucination.
:)
 
Zeuzzz said:
Right :rolleyes:

Asking what function a neurotransmitter plays in a science forum is totally meaningless!

Have a nice day.
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No your statement is meaningless, the role of the alleged endogenous dmt is different than any experiences from using chemical similar to it that act like serotonin.

Your question is malformed and incoherent.

It most likely , if it exists, is related to the serotonin system which has many functions, none of which are talking to fairies.
 
Zeuzzz said:
No. I elevated the amount of an endogenous neurotransmitter that we all share in our brinas.
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No, dmt may have a neural transmission role, it has not been well established. It may exist as an endogenous chemical, that seems likely, however there is more to establishing a neurotransmitter that just its likely presence and interaction with the serotonin system.

Just as with opiates, serotonergic drugs, meth amphetamine , cocaine and nicotine, you can take chemicals which bind to neuron receptors and effect neural pathways.

that does not mean that the function of the alleged dmt neurotransmitter is so you can hallucinate and talk to fairies.
 
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