On 9/11, WTC7 Collapse Was Firemen's Concern (controlled demolition debunked)

[A W Smith]

Of course. Coincidently, the massive amount of smoke billowing from across the street from their firefighting, could make for confusing pictures as it roiled up the south side of WTC7, making it appear that 7 was a total inferno from a distance, which could fool even the most fastidious of bedunkers. Thanks for your input.

Nope

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U&t=0m33s

 

[tfk]

Of course. Coincidently, the massive amount of smoke billowing from across the street from their firefighting, could make for confusing pictures as it roiled up the south side of WTC7, making it appear that 7 was a total inferno from a distance, which could fool even the most fastidious of bedunkers. Thanks for your input.

Utter rubbish.

Smoke doesnt "billow across a street" at ground level.

It rises.

NOW. Immediately. Right away.

The videos show clearly that there is clear air down low between WTC7 & WTC6. The smoke did not come from WTC6.

You show pictures, because the direction of motion of the smoke is not obvious.
You ignore videos, because the direction of motion of the smoke is obvious.

But even the still images of the smoke show clearly the direction of motion of the smoke. If you know what to look for.

The smoke came from WTC7.

It is patently clear to anyone who looks at the videos.

Which, I am fairly certain, you have.

Which leaves only the possibility that you are intentionally misrepresenting the truth.

 

[Miragememories]

So the FDNY that were there that day are lying or incompetent. What proof do you have of this?

They were human.

Not everything in life is black or white.

MM

 

[plague311]

They were human.

Not everything in life is black or white.

MM

You mean like Silverstiens quote? Or maybe some of the others things that twoofers habitually pick apart because they aren't perfect.

Where's that I <3 irony picture?

 

[Miragememories]

That was the north face, the one that twoofers generally say showed no signs of any major fires. Now look closely and you will see that flame and black smoke are jetting out the east side of the building(?) and flowing around to the front. We seem to have some kind of ram jet effect going on here.

Count on it that this effect was concentrating a lot of heat on the central structural members and on the columns on the south face which had been weakened by impacts and stripped of lateral bracing by the big chunks of building that fell on it.

I then suggest you examine the timeline and the NIST info which shows the major fire activity had progressed well west of the collapse point by 5:20 p.m.

What you won't be told by Official Story supporters here and what is well documented by the NIST, is that at the time of collapse initiation, the required inferno around the critical column 79 was not apparent.

MM

 

[twinstead]

They were human.

Not everything in life is black or white.

MM

In other words you have absolutely no evidence to support your position

 

[Miragememories]

Thank you! I didn't watch all of it, but was that a vid of the southeast corner from a different angle as seen in the other vids? I can't recall seeing that before.

KreeL, I suggest you use the search function here and look through some of the great WTC7 threads in this forum if you want to get some balance.

The Official Story supporters here are on a mission to convert newbies and lying is permitted in this forum.

Good luck and I hope you have a thick skin.

MM

 

[Miragememories]

They were human.

Not everything in life is black or white.

MM

In other words you have absolutely no evidence to support your position

You require evidence that "not everything in life is black or white.?"

MM

 

[Justin39640]

They were human.

Not everything in life is black or white.

MM

Thousands of professionals who were on-scene don't simultaneously make the same mistake.

This forum does permit lying and the truthers are a shining example of this.

 

[Miragememories]

As I JUST told you and when I replied to you the first time you said that, that is not an answer.

Are you telling me that if a building collapses, you are not in danger so long as you are not directly inside it?

Why is that a hard question for you to answer? Is it so difficult for you to admit that there was a reason the FDNY would create the collapse zone around WTC7 for everyones safety if they deemed WTC7 a collapse risk?

Would you want to be anywhere near a 47 story building if you thought it was going to collapse?

Answer the question please!

Are you acknowledging that the common expectation was that a tall building considered to be at risk of collapse due to fire, was that [drumroll] it would topple?

MM

 

[plague311]

KreeL, I suggest you use the search function here and look through some of the great WTC7 threads in this forum if you want to get some balance.

The Official Story supporters here are on a mission to convert newbies and lying is permitted in this forum.

Good luck and I hope you have a thick skin.

MM

The entire Troll Movement is a lie. There is never fact brought to light that gives the Troll Movement any forward progress. It's all rehashed garbage that's been debunked, that goes in a circle.

I shouldn't mention the whole hypocritical thing here, right? I mean, not that MM says one thing, all the time, and doesn't hold himself to the same standard.

 

[Edx]

Are you acknowledging that the common expectation was that a tall building considered to be at risk of collapse due to fire, was that [drumroll] it would topple?

MM

No. Are you suggesting that had they not pulled everyone out of the area, the way WTC7 collapsed would not have put anyone in danger?

 

[Miragememories]

...
This forum does permit lying and the truthers Official Story supporters are a shining example of this.

9/11 Truth supporters get nailed to the cross every time we forget to dot an "i".

MM

 

[Edx]

They were human.

But also stupid and/or lying, right? because theres no possible way what you say about WTC7 can be true and they just suddenly became incompetent for 10 years.

 

[Miragememories]

No. Are you suggesting that had they not pulled everyone out of the area, the way WTC7 collapsed would not have put anyone in danger?

You've seen the collapse zone.

A far far cry from the zone the FYNY thought prudent.

They certainly did not consider such a symmetrical collapse a reasonable expectation.

Only bigoted Official Story supporters like yourself do.

MM

 

[Miragememories]

But also stupid and/or lying, right? because theres no possible way what you say about WTC7 can be true and they just suddenly became incompetent for 10 years.

If you think the FDNY were "stupid and/or lying", that is your belief, not mine.

MM

 

[plague311]

Are you acknowledging that the common expectation was that a tall building considered to be at risk of collapse due to fire, was that [drumroll] it would topple?

MM

Are you acknowledging that no one with a brain would discern that from what he stated?

He saying that, despite what you guys believe, the building didn't literally fall into it's footprint without any peripheral damage. So you wouldn't want to be standing next to it.

 

[A W Smith]

You've seen the collapse zone.

A far far cry from the zone the FYNY thought prudent.

They certainly did not consider such a symmetrical collapse a reasonable expectation.

Only bigoted Official Story supporters like yourself do.

MM

Let me get this straight. You are now using the boundaries of a safe zone to extrapolate that the fire department knew in advance that the building 7 was going to be explosive controlled Demolition?

 

[plague311]

You've seen the collapse zone.

A far far cry from the zone the FYNY thought prudent.

They certainly did not consider such a symmetrical collapse a reasonable expectation.

Only bigoted Official Story supporters like yourself do.

MM

Because they move people out to, literally, the spot where they think the dust will stop. They won't, for any reason, make it over zealous to ensure no one will get hurt.

Does this sound smart in your head?

 

[Edx]

You've seen the collapse zone.

A far far cry from the zone the FYNY thought prudent.

They certainly did not consider such a symmetrical collapse a reasonable expectation.

Only bigoted Official Story supporters like yourself do.

MM

Better safe than sorry MM. They didnt know how it would collapse, but had they not pulled everyone away from the area it WOULD have killed people. Contrary to the claim truthers make, it didn't literally fall neatly into its own footprint, it fell across a 4 lane street. Anyone in the area would have been at extreme risk.

Your buddies Kree, ergo and Red have all said the only danger posed in the collapse would have been if they were inside the building and so there was no reason to "pull" firefighters away, since they say there was no one inside. That is what my post was addressing.

Ed