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OMG! Another unarmed black man with his hands up shot.

Skeptic Ginger

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God, this one is even more insane than any of the others.

Unarmed Therapist Shot by North Miami Police While Trying to Calm Patient With Autism

You have to watch the video, it's unbelievable. A therapist from a group home trying to help a patient who had a toy truck was shot. The police are lined up with their rifles out behind a car while the man, on his back with his hands in the air is yelling, it's a toy car, trying to keep the patient from being shot.

Un:rule10believable.
 
Glad he's alive. Hope he sues those ****ers and the officer responsible is fired and charged.
 
I was wondering how long it'd take before this one showed up here. Less than 12 hours is pretty good.

Caveat to everything I say - I'm sick of watching these videos, I didn't do it when I saw the story, and I will avoid it as much as possible now.

This strikes me as another example of stunningly bad policy. Hey, there's a guy threatening suicide, let's all point our rifles at him and the guy who is talking to him. A simple health worker could do far better in that situation - except they shot the health worker who was talking the guy down.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
God, this one is even more insane than any of the others.

Unarmed Therapist Shot by North Miami Police While Trying to Calm Patient With Autism

You have to watch the video, it's unbelievable. A therapist from a group home trying to help a patient who had a toy truck was shot. The police are lined up with their rifles out behind a car while the man, on his back with his hands in the air is yelling, it's a toy car, trying to keep the patient from being shot.

Un:rule10believable.
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WTF?

I can understand cops being cautious initially given they started out with no more than a report of a man with a gun, but WHAT THE ACTUAL ****??????
 
Cain said:
"Sir, why did you shoot me?"
"Because you're black I dunno."
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The way the victim said it, the cop sounded actually baffled. "I don't know." Almost like it seemed like the next right thing to do ... to make something happen instead of everyone just calming down.
 
Nan, I think it was just an accident, he was already nervous with finger on trigger, and he accidentally added a few pound more and fired in the leg of the guy (so downward rather than center mass).

Still that is indicative (IMO) of the general problem that lethal option seem to be the first resort rather than the last one, and even if they *thought* initially it was a gun not a truck, they should have had the possibility to check that. None apparently did, since they still had the gun at ready during the confrontation.

In other word lethal readiness trumpeted assessment of the situation. (and that sounds to me that I expect more such accident or tamir rice alike incident to happen).
 
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Aepervius said:
Nan, I think it was just an accident, he was already nervous with finger on trigger, and he accidentally added a few pound more and fired in the leg of the guy (so downward rather than center mass).

Still that is indicative (IMO) of the general problem that lethal option seem to be the first resort rather than the last one, and even if they *thought* initially it was a gun not a truck, they should have had the possibility to check that. None apparently did, since they still had the gun at ready during the confrontation.

In other word lethal readiness trumpeted assessment of the situation.
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If he had his finger on the trigger and didn't intend to shoot, that means he is completely incompetent at handling firearms and should not be a police officer.
 
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Aepervius said:
Nan, I think it was just an accident, he was already nervous with finger on trigger, and he accidentally added a few pound more and fired in the leg of the guy (so downward rather than center mass).

Still that is indicative (IMO) of the general problem that lethal option seem to be the first resort rather than the last one, and even if they *thought* initially it was a gun not a truck, they should have had the possibility to check that. None apparently did, since they still had the gun at ready during the confrontation.

In other word lethal readiness trumpeted assessment of the situation. (and that sounds to me that I expect more such accident or tamir rice alike incident to happen).
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Accident, sure, so why cuff the guy like he was a threat? How was that an accident?
 
Aepervius said:
Nan, I think it was just an accident, he was already nervous with finger on trigger, and he accidentally added a few pound more and fired in the leg of the guy (so downward rather than center mass).

Still that is indicative (IMO) of the general problem that lethal option seem to be the first resort rather than the last one, and even if they *thought* initially it was a gun not a truck, they should have had the possibility to check that. None apparently did, since they still had the gun at ready during the confrontation.

In other word lethal readiness trumpeted assessment of the situation. (and that sounds to me that I expect more such accident or tamir rice alike incident to happen).
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In some of these cases I see room for giving cops the benefit of the doubt. Like when a kid is play-acting with a very realistic toy gun and inexperienced cops, buzzed on adrenaline, fire prematurely. But this? The guy is going out of his way to show cops exactly where his hands are while explaining about the autistic kid (? not sure age) and the toy truck. I don't know what else was going on around there but there seemed to be enough time to hang back out of handgun range while assessing the (nil) threat.

I'm glad this victim lived. With all the heat out there we need some reasonable way to train cops to de-escalate. IMO they actually should not be putting themselves in range to be hurt if there are better tactical options. If the cops feel more in control they will be less likely to make poor split-second decisions. It's not all racism, I think people are on edge in general.
 
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Come on the proper thing to do with someone threatening suicide is to set a dog on him not shoot him. That way your police dogs can get their bite in, even if they don't get to tear the face enough to require skin grafts.

http://watchdogsarasota.heraldtribune.com/2015/12/26/scarred-come-get-ur-bite/

Police records show that Lemay’s injuries came up in electronic messages sent between Officers Bush and Brandon McHale later that day.

“YOUR BITE OR (Dietz’s)?” McHale inquired.

“I LET (Dietz) HAVE IT,” Bush replied.

“NICE, HOW BAD?” McHale asked.

“BAD,” Bush wrote. “FACE AND BACK.”

“SKIN GRAFT BAD?” McHale asked.

“NO,” Bush wrote.

“COULDA BEEN WORSE THEN, HE SHOULD HAVE COMPLIED,”
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That is how policing should be done clearly.
 
Aepervius said:
Nan, I think it was just an accident, he was already nervous with finger on trigger, and he accidentally added a few pound more and fired in the leg of the guy (so downward rather than center mass).
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Given that the victim was lying on the ground when shot the officer was off-target horizontally, not vertically. That means that the weapon was raised and aimed.

Also if he is not intending to shoot what the **** is his finger doing on the trigger? That is Firearms 101 - finger OFF the trigger.
 
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