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OMG! Another unarmed black man with his hands up shot.

ponderingturtle said:
Ah so after Nice they were so worried about a toy truck rampage they sent in the swat team.
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I am a bad person for laughing at that.

But, as in the Tamir Rice case, the police had no way of knowing that it was just a toy truck. Clearly, they had to take down the guy next to that guy.
 
applecorped said:
hey next time you're in trouble call an armchair cop or a crackhead
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Well we have to always have to treat the cops as if they are violent crack heads after all, any sudden move might set them off and cause them to very justifiably kill you.
 
Tony Stark said:
Many cops in America have such weapons in their cars. My brother is a cop and every officer in his department carries an M4 in the car.
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When my father first became a police officer back in the 1950's, they were issued a Thompson Submachinegun in addition to their sidearm, which he found rather ridiculous. He would often lament that back in his day, being a cop was all about talking, rather than shooting. The Thompson never left the trunk of his patrol car.

He was a genius when it came to the art of calmly talking agitated people down and defusing tense situations. He used to say that humor was his best weapon. I once watched him coax a drunk and suicidal man peacefully out of his hotel room by asking him to just come out, sit down with him on a bench outside of the room, and have a drink with him. No cuffs, no yelling, just a guy in a uniform who would listen to his reasons for wanting to end his life, and who promised to help him in any way he can.

Turns out this poor guy's wife left him, he lost his job, and lost a terrible custody battle, all in the timeframe of a few months. He temporarily snapped. But with a little help, he turned his life around, and that man is alive and well (and happily re-married) to this very day. I shudder to think of what would have happened to him with the way things are today.
 
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robertovila said:
When my father first became a police officer back in the 1950's, they were issued a Thompson Submachinegun in addition to their sidearm, which he found rather ridiculous. Back in his day, being a cop was all about talking, rather than shooting. The Thompson never left the trunk of his patrol car.

He was a genius when it came to the art of calmly talking agitated people down and defusing tense situations. He used to say that humor was his best weapon. I once watched him coax a drunk and suicidal man peacefully out of his hotel room by asking him to just come out, sit down with him on a bench outside of the room, and have a drink with him. No cuffs, no yelling, just a guy in a uniform who would listen to his reasons for wanting to end his life, and who promised to help him in any way he can.

Turns out his wife left him and he lost his job and a terrible custody battle, and temporarily snapped. With a little help, he turned his life around, and that man is alive and well to this very day. I shudder to think of what would have happened to him with the way things are today.
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This is clearly against policy now. Better send in the dog and hope he needs skin grafts.
 
erlando said:
Does police training in the US not involve de-escalation techniques AT ALL?! Do police officers not believe ANYTHING people say? Is every member of the public considered a lethal threat by default to be dealt with accordingly?

Why would a police force meet a suicidal person with raised weapons and orders of "DROP THE WEAPON" barked at them? How is that in any way a meaningful interaction?

So many questions...
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Well I think they are talking to the autist man. Not to the lying one. And yes, it can be clearly seen it is not gun in his hands. He acts weird from cops standpoint obviously, so there is reason for them to act suspiciously. But at any moment there is no reason to shoot.

Also if it is common for cops to have burst mode, then ok, it still sounds like accidental. It would seem strange that they would miss at that distance with 3 shots with rifle, if it were intentional. And if they were shooting, they fould certainly be aiming at the autistic man.
Also if it were intentional, why would they stopped shooting after lightly harming the other guy ? Makes no sense for racist cop scenario.

Unless it went like 'hey, they guy is clearly some kinda of ill, and he only has car in his hand .. problem solved ! Let's just shoot the black one once, handcuff them and lets have some donuts'.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
So what country are you moving to so that you get that?
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Thankfully I already live there; Australia.
I've dealt with many cops for various reasons, and never even had a gun pulled on me or any other person that was present, although a cop did once pull out his capsicum spray and actually threatened to use it on an unruly assailant.

Two of my friends are cops for many years and so is my brother in law. None of them have shot anyone. I know one of them has had to draw his gun at least once but never fired it out of the range.

Anyway enough anecdotes, cool story bro and all that.
 
Hungry81 said:
Thankfully I already live there; Australia.
I've dealt with many cops for various reasons, and never even had a gun pulled on me or any other person that was present, although a cop did once pull out his capsicum spray and actually threatened to use it on an unruly assailant.

Two of my friends are cops for many years and so is my brother in law. None of them have shot anyone. I know one of them has had to draw his gun at least once but never fired it out of the range.

Anyway enough anecdotes, cool story bro and all that.
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I figured the reason Aussie cops don't shoot anyone is that the bullets come back.
 
erlando said:
Does police training in the US not involve de-escalation techniques AT ALL?! Do police officers not believe ANYTHING people say? Is every member of the public considered a lethal threat by default to be dealt with accordingly?
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When a report comes in of a man brandishing a gun, then that is the attitude the police have when they get to the scene.

Clearly police need to be better trained to be able to get out of "combat mode" when they are responding to an inaccurate report. About the time they realize it's a guy with a toy truck, not a gun, they need to check their adrenaline and stand down their weapons.

No excuse for shooting the therapist. Fire the cop that did it and pay the man a hefty sum, apologize, revise your officer training.
 
AdamSK said:
When a report comes in of a man brandishing a gun, then that is the attitude the police have when they get to the scene.

Clearly police need to be better trained to be able to get out of "combat mode" when they are responding to an inaccurate report. About the time they realize it's a guy with a toy truck, not a gun, they need to check their adrenaline and stand down their weapons.

No excuse for shooting the therapist. Fire the cop that did it and pay the man a hefty sum, apologize, revise your officer training.
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He was black and clearly threatening them with the use of his arms in that fashion, so why not bust out the assault rifle and shoot him?
 
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