OMG! Another unarmed black man with his hands up shot.

[Upchurch]

Hardly accidental. He was shot three times.

Source on the three shots? The articles I've seen imply, but don't explicitly state, one shot.

Also, I like how the press release in the OP article make it sound like the cops only found out about the autism/caretaker relationship after the onsite negotiations were over, not like the man was yelling it repeatedly during the confrontation. They were both "later identified".

 

[Ladewig]

Armchair cops are the best.

I do not understand your post.

 

[Upchurch]

Armchair cops are the best. Hope no one shoots a cop over this.

I also hope no one shoots a cop over this.

Do you believe Kinsey did something requiring the cop to fire at him? If so, what?

 

[Dr.Sid]

Nah, it really looks like negligent discharge. Which is alarming as well, don't get me wrong ..

 

[Upchurch]

Nah, it really looks like negligent discharge. Which is alarming as well, don't get me wrong ..

I agree that it feels that way, given what we know.

But the handcuffs and delay of medical attention? Maybe there is a policy of "You shoot 'em, you cuff 'em" no matter what the circumstances? Clearly, there was some dumbassery involved here.

 

[abaddon]

Source on the three shots? The articles I've seen imply, but don't explicitly state, one shot.

Also, I like how the press release in the OP article make it sound like the cops only found out about the autism/caretaker relationship after the onsite negotiations were over, not like the man was yelling it repeatedly during the confrontation. They were both "later identified".

Three shots fired but only one hit.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article90905442.html

 

[Mumbles]

And then let him lie there for 20 minutes bleeding..

Could've been worse, Levar Jones was left handcuffed for hours, even after he was in the hospital,after some cop got jumpy and shot wildly at him.

Anyway, y'all can have fun arguing with the folks here who say it's always okay for police and vigilantes to shoot black people if you want.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Three shots fired but only one hit.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article90905442.html

So now we are at 3 negligent discharges?

 

[Aepervius]

Accident, sure, so why cuff the guy like he was a threat? How was that an accident?

My first guess knowing a cop friend : it is SOP.

 

[Upchurch]

Three shots fired but only one hit.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article90905442.html

That's what I was missing. Thanks.

 

[Dr.Sid]

With 3 shots that's sadly different. It's shoot first, ask later. Also why were they handcuffed AT ALL ?
Every cop present should be fired and the one shooting should face attempted murder.

 

[ponderingturtle]

With 3 shots that's sadly different. It's shoot first, ask later. Also why were they handcuffed AT ALL ?
Every cop present should be fired and the one shooting should face attempted murder.

Because after being shot by a cop he must clearly be a dangerous violent person and needs to be treated as such. Logic 101 clearly. They wouldn't be so negligent as to have an accidental discharge right?

 

[robertovila]

I participated in a case a few years ago that involved an officer who accidentally fired his M4 Carbine that very fortunately, only resulted in property damage. He fired three rounds. The basic question in this incident was that firing one shot could be considered an accident, but firing three shots could not.

The rifle issued to the officer had three positions for the selector switch- safe, semi auto, and three round burst. In burst mode, pulling the trigger once fires three rounds in full auto for each pull of the trigger. After examining still photos shot by a bystander, it was clear that the officer had set the selector for three round burst, and had his finger inside of the trigger guard, two very serious safety violations as well as violations of department policy.

The situation did not warrant his taking the weapon off safe and setting it for semi-auto single shot, let alone three round burst. And, the situation did not warrant him even putting his finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger in the first place. The incident was ruled an accident, and the officer found negligent. He lost his job and actually served time for negligent discharge of a firearm within city limits.

This latest shooting where the officer fired three shots could possibly be an accident stemming from a similar set of conditions. Two things I see time and time again, are shoddy/lax firearms training, and a complete abandonment of the principles of de-escalation. It's a formula for disaster. Accident or intentional, there is absolutely no excuse for this latest horrible incident regardless of the root cause.

 

[abaddon]

So now we are at 3 negligent discharges?

We don't know what weapon was used.

Lots have a burst mode where 3 shots are fired for a single pull of the trigger.

MP5N for example.

 

[ponderingturtle]

We don't know what weapon was used.

Lots have a burst mode where 3 shots are fired for a single pull of the trigger.

MP5N for example.

Ah so after Nice they were so worried about a toy truck rampage they sent in the swat team.

 

[Aepervius]

We don't know what weapon was used.

Lots have a burst mode where 3 shots are fired for a single pull of the trigger.

MP5N for example.

Since when have normal cops such weapon ?

 

[Cleon]

Armchair cops are the best. Hope no one shoots a cop over this.

This is why I support BLM.

Because when a video like this comes out, no matter how egregious, someone always does their damndest to figure out an excuse as to why that man deserved to be shot.

 

[Tony Stark]

Since when have normal cops such weapon ?

Many cops in America have such weapons in their cars. My brother is a cop and every officer in his department carries an M4 in the car.

 

[erlando]

Does police training in the US not involve de-escalation techniques AT ALL?! Do police officers not believe ANYTHING people say? Is every member of the public considered a lethal threat by default to be dealt with accordingly?

Why would a police force meet a suicidal person with raised weapons and orders of "DROP THE WEAPON" barked at them? How is that in any way a meaningful interaction?

So many questions...

 

[Upchurch]

I participated in a case a few years ago that...

Well reasoned. That would explain both the number of shots and the reported response the the cop didn't know why he shot Kinsey. A dumbassery SOP of cuffing anyone the police happen to shoot would pretty much complete the picture.

Now we just have to wait to see if the evidence supports the hypothesis, see if the cop faces any discipline, and see if this results in policy or training changes in the PD.