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O'Keefe back at it!

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Apparently he's comparing himself to Wikileaks, and saying he has "hundreds of hours" of video tape he's about to release. So we'll see how edited this **** becomes.

He's going to release such bombshells as:

a bunch of establishment media puppets revealing their extreme hatred for the sitting President of the United States.
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As if that wasn't Fox's *********** platform for the last 8 years. It'll probably be underwhelming, the morons screaming "fake news" will soak that **** up like a sponge, and everyone else will shrug.

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What if the comments on Trump are rooted in accurate appraisals most rational people would agree with?

I like how people like O'Keefe never question the extent to which Trump might have earned his own bad reputation.
 
plague311 said:
the morons screaming "fake news" will soak that **** up like a sponge, and everyone else will shrug.
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Which morons?

The establishment media started the meme, and still seems to be clinging to it on some subjects. Aimed at people who threatened their ability to manipulate mass public opinion.

But it has been co-opted by the very people it was aimed at because it has been so easy to disprove the ridiculous narratives we are fed to camouflage the selfish interests of the multinationals, the military-industrial-security complex, big pharma, insurance and banking cartels, etc.

It's kind of weird seeing how Alex Jones has become such a superstar because they made it so easy for him.

The point to "get" about O'Keefe and the Wikileaks parallel is that he's explaining people are now coming to him with video footage instead of him needing to go film it himself.

That vastly extends his reach. Julian Assange grew up as a hacker, and acting alone he could come up with an impressive enough portfolio of secret government communications and documents. But the fact he gained a reputation for publishing same, people like Collateral Murder tapes, the off-shore banking records and etc. came flooding in with juicy stuff.

So Assange's reach catapulted into a worldwide library instead of just what Julian Assange could assemble alone.
 
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AlaskaBushPilot said:
Which morons?

The establishment media started the meme, and still seems to be clinging to it on some subjects. Aimed at people who threatened their ability to manipulate mass public opinion.

But it has been co-opted by the very people it was aimed at because it has been so easy to disprove the ridiculous narratives we are fed to camouflage the selfish interests of the multinationals, the military-industrial-security complex, big pharma, insurance and banking cartels, etc.

It's kind of weird seeing how Alex Jones has become such a superstar because they made it so easy for him.

The point to "get" about O'Keefe and the Wikileaks parallel is that he's explaining people are now coming to him with video footage instead of him needing to go film it himself.

That vastly extends his reach. Julian Assange grew up as a hacker, and acting alone he could come up with an impressive enough portfolio of secret government communications and documents. But the fact he gained a reputation for publishing same, people like Collateral Murder tapes, the off-shore banking records and etc. came flooding in with juicy stuff.

So Assange's reach catapulted into a worldwide library instead of just what Julian Assange could assemble alone.
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So people want him to publish their illegal work instead of doing his own anymore. On the plus side he did get a police officer killed after that planned parenthood shooting he inspired.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
The establishment media started the meme, and still seems to be clinging to it on some subjects. Aimed at people who threatened their ability to manipulate mass public opinion.

But it has been co-opted by the very people it was aimed at because it has been so easy to disprove the ridiculous narratives we are fed to camouflage the selfish interests of the multinationals, the military-industrial-security complex, big pharma, insurance and banking cartels, etc.
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You don't call editing videos to promote a false story so egregiously that he was forced to pay damages to one of the people he lied about in his deceptively edited videos "fake news"? Because it's hard to get faker than that.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
It's kind of weird seeing how Alex Jones has become such a superstar because they made it so easy for him.
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Alex Jones has "become a superstar" on the back of a cult of personality and the pushing of narratives that have an appriopriate amount of vitriol and hatred against government.

He was already out there in the wilderness, bleating his toxic lies and conspiracies in his too-loud, yelling, angry voice for decades. Crashing the bohemian grove and never finding a conspiracy too ridiculous not to share - whether it be AIDS denialism, water fluoridation, occult fantasies about "elites" or plans to reduce the world's population by 2/3rds in the near future through a deliberate depopulation program.

WHat happened?

Mainstream conservatism just worked their way over to Alex Jones, built on the back of a tribal myth about how horrible government is and how odious politicians are.

He didn't do anything special - he's been stuck on stupid for years.

Everyone else just came to him - out there in lunatic land. Everyone else became enamoured with ideas that resonated with the kind of thing Jones has been selling and making money off of for years.
 
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But let's take it at face value. He has videos showing that media people don't like Trump. And?

99% of the media outlets that did a presidential endorsement opposed him, and they all laid out their reasons why. Why should we think they would have suddenly changed their mind after he won?

The media has made no secret of their opposition to Trump from the beginning. That media people don't like Trump is supposed to be some bombshell revelation?
 
pgwenthold said:
But let's take it at face value. He has videos showing that media people don't like Trump. And?

99% of the media outlets that did a presidential endorsement opposed him, and they all laid out their reasons why. Why should we think they would have suddenly changed their mind after he won?

The media has made no secret of their opposition to Trump from the beginning. That media people don't like Trump is supposed to be some bombshell revelation?
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I go further - isn't it perfectly appropriate and reasonable to not like Trump based on his actual actions, character and personality?

Seems to me 60% of America pretty much has it right.
 
A'isha said:
You don't call editing videos to promote a false story so egregiously that he was forced to pay damages to one of the people he lied about in his deceptively edited videos "fake news"? Because it's hard to get faker than that.
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No, it isn't. That's pretty fake, but the bulk of the fake news sites that we talk about are made out of whole cloth. This involved editing something real. Less fake than many, many sites out there.

Minor quibble to be sure, but there's faked and there's plain fake.
 
Praktik said:
Alex Jones has "become a superstar" on the back of a cult of personality and the pushing of narratives that have an appriopriate amount of vitriol and hatred against government.

He was already out there in the wilderness, bleating his toxic lies and conspiracies in his too-loud, yelling, angry voice for decades. Crashing the bohemian grove and never finding a conspiracy too ridiculous not to share - whether it be AIDS denialism, water fluoridation, occult fantasies about "elites" or plans to reduce the world's population by 2/3rds in the near future through a deliberate depopulation program.

WHat happened?

Mainstream conservatism just worked their way over to Alex Jones, built on the back of a tribal myth about how horrible government is and how odious politicians are.

He didn't do anything special - he's been stuck on stupid for years.

Everyone else just came to him - out there in lunatic land. Everyone else became enamoured with ideas that resonated with the kind of thing Jones has been selling and making money off of for years.
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Jon Ronson's "The Elephant in the Room" is a brilliant article on this matter. I just read it. It is not particularly timely, since it was written before the election, but it is still mighty informative. It's only available via Kindle, though Kindle readers are free online and the article costs only $2 and (in my biased opinion) is well worth it.

But I am a longtime Ronson fan, so take my gushing with a grain of salt.
 
pgwenthold said:
But let's take it at face value. He has videos showing that media people don't like Trump. And?

99% of the media outlets that did a presidential endorsement opposed him, and they all laid out their reasons why. Why should we think they would have suddenly changed their mind after he won?

The media has made no secret of their opposition to Trump from the beginning. That media people don't like Trump is supposed to be some bombshell revelation?
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plague311 said:
As if that wasn't Fox's *********** platform for the last 8 years. It'll probably be underwhelming, the morons screaming "fake news" will soak that **** up like a sponge, and everyone else will shrug.
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Fox's republicans/conservatives admit what they are. Baer, Wallace, Smith, and a few other newsies, I have no idea what their politics is. You?

It's all the other media outlets that try to claim the unbias narrative but they're so blindly left, anyone can see it.

Chris Mathews says he's objective, isn't that a laugh?

At least he used to, maybe he's admitting now what he is.
 
No one is objective. We all see the world through prisms guaranteed to skew it.

Some of us labour behind thicker, world-distorting lenses than others.

Like Alex Jones. That guy is wearing some freaky shades man.
 
If anyone appears "objective" its likely because they believe something close to what we believe - that our lenses might be distorted in ways that see us agreeing on how the world really is.

When people say someone is "objective", in most cases, they are merely signifying an affinity for someone who sees the world as they do.
 
phiwum said:
No, it isn't. That's pretty fake, but the bulk of the fake news sites that we talk about are made out of whole cloth. This involved editing something real. Less fake than many, many sites out there.

Minor quibble to be sure, but there's faked and there's plain fake.
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No, first of all editing isn't about bending your footage to see if it will support this result or that result. Editing is about having a result in mind and crafting your footage around it. Editing starts in pre-production, so to speak.

He showed up portraying himself as someone he was not. He attempted to solicit their involvement in criminal activity which they did not.

He created things from whole cloth. He had an outcome in mind before he even rolled any film. That's absolutely as "fake" as someone who has an outcome in mind before they set pen to paper.
 
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