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OKC Bombing Coverup?

Rouser2

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"A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) may have had accomplices at the scene..."

"Lawyers for Nichols say they have never been given the security video, photo disks or internal investigative file referenced in the documents...."

"The trial judge has threatened to dismiss the death penalty case if evidence was withheld..."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...419/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/mcveigh_video&printer=1

The "new" evidence comes as no surprise to serious students of the event but should come as a sobering wake-up call to those blindly accepted the original story put out by Federal prosecutors at the McVeigh and Nichols trials.

Other witnesses suggest that McVeigh's accomplices included a member of Iraqi Intellligence. Still other witnesses including an ATF informant suggest that the ATF itself had advance knowledge of the plot and made sure their people were not in the building on the day of the scheduled bombing. (See "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton" by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard).

-- Rouser
 
Rouser2 said:
Other witnesses suggest that McVeigh's accomplices included a member of Iraqi Intellligence. Still other witnesses including an ATF informant suggest that the ATF itself had advance knowledge of the plot and made sure their people were not in the building on the day of the scheduled bombing. (See "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton" by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard).

-- Rouser
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Rouser2 said:
Other witnesses suggest that McVeigh's accomplices included a member of Iraqi Intellligence.
-- Rouser
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Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

I suspect that you'll even be able to find someone who will claim that Elvis was part of the conspiracy
 
I remember Phil Klass's "10 Ufological Principles", the first of which is (and I'm paraphrasing, since I don't have the source at hand), "When people are exposed to a brief, unexpected event, they are notoriously unreliable in reporting what they've seen." A building explosion like Okla City sure would qualify in my opinion.

On the other hand, maybe REO Speedwagon was in on it. :)
 
Guys, this is hardly woo-woo stuff. This is serious.

New documents obtained by AP show the Secret Service provided prosecutors other evidence that may not have been provided to defense lawyers, including a file showing the Secret Service agent who reconstructed crucial phone evidence against McVeigh was subjected to an internal affairs investigation and eventually cleared for her conduct in the case.

FBI officials say that file details allegations the agent wrongly collected grand jury-subpoenaed phone information about McVeigh's calls without FBI knowledge, and kept it for weeks while she produced analysis that helped the investigation.
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It's also reported here:

http://www.azdailysun.com/non_sec/nav_includes/story.cfm?storyID=85825

Both articles have links to the document. Me, I'm startin' the 48-hour clock on this one.
 
shanek said:
Guys, this is hardly woo-woo stuff. This is serious.



It's also reported here:

http://www.azdailysun.com/non_sec/nav_includes/story.cfm?storyID=85825

Both articles have links to the document. Me, I'm startin' the 48-hour clock on this one.
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I don't doubt that McVeigh and the other dude weren't the only people involved in the OKC bombing. I just have to laugh when it's suggested Iraq had a hand in it, and that the ATF were tipped off but didn't do anything about it except to save their own butts.

The latter suggests a friendly relationship between TMcV and someone in the ATF. Considering that one of the motives for the bombing was Waco, you really can't help but see the lunacy in this.
 
Rouser2 said:
Other witnesses suggest that McVeigh's accomplices included a member of Iraqi Intellligence. Still other witnesses including an ATF informant suggest that the ATF itself had advance knowledge of the plot and made sure their people were not in the building on the day of the scheduled bombing. (See "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton" by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard).

-- Rouser
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"Other witnesses suggest..."


Still other witnesses suggest these Jewish ATF agents then went to work in the civilian sector as stockbrokers at the World Trade Center and had advance knowledge of the attack on 9/11 and made sure no Jews were in the WTC on the day of the scheduled bombing by remote controlled aircraft.

Examination of the Oklahoma City bombing Zapruder film shows the explosion actually came from the back and to the left of the Ryder truck, indicating Timothy McVeigh was just a patsy for a secret cabal of Mafioso, Fidel Castro, Martina Navratilova, Halliburton, and James Randi.

36 friends, acquaintances, and pen pals of people who know how to spell "Navratilova" without looking it up have died under mysterious circumstances since the OKC bombing. The odds of this occurring have been estimated by an infinite number of chimpanzees on a calculator to be 1 in 903984908.

A chainsmoking phlegmatic government official, known to this reporter only as "Sore Throat", has provided deep background information that it is not certain what President Clinton knew or when he knew it, but this reporter should "follow the hummers" to learn the truth.
 
Mr Manifesto said:


I don't doubt that McVeigh and the other dude weren't the only people involved in the OKC bombing. I just have to laugh when it's suggested Iraq had a hand in it, and that the ATF were tipped off but didn't do anything about it except to save their own butts.

The latter suggests a friendly relationship between TMcV and someone in the ATF. Considering that one of the motives for the bombing was Waco, you really can't help but see the lunacy in this.
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I wonder how close I came to being a conspiracy theory footnote.

When the OK bombing occured, I was spending that year in Dayton, Ohio taking some classes at the University. That morning, my entire class was supposed to be at the Federal Building downtown for some purpose I can't clearly recall. I didn't go for medical purposes (does nursing a hangover count as medical purposes?).

The point of this was that I heard somewhere that the Dayton federal building was a considered alternate target for the bombing. If it had been, I would have likely been the only person in my class left alive.

I wonder what Rouser2 and his ilk would make of that? Something about West Virginians? I was (to my present shame) rather active in the Libertarian Party at the time as well. Then there is the large part of my family that just happens to have a pretty obviously jewish last name...

Maybe it would have been a Jewish-Libertarian-Redneck plot of some sort.
 
Suddenly said:

When the OK bombing occured, I was spending that year in Dayton, Ohio taking some classes at the University. That morning, my entire class was supposed to be at the Federal Building downtown for some purpose I can't clearly recall. I didn't go for medical purposes (does nursing a hangover count as medical purposes?).

The point of this was that I heard somewhere that the Dayton federal building was a considered alternate target for the bombing. If it had been, I would have likely been the only person in my class left alive.
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Oh yes? So you just "Happened" to be spending a year in a different state, and just "happened" to have a class full of witnesses?

A cast-iron alibi like that is suspicious in itself!

Have you ever been to the Middle East? Hmm? Hmm? HMM?
 
I think the only thing covered up in this investigation is the bodies of the dead. Get a life.
 
Mr Manifesto said:


I don't doubt that McVeigh and the other dude weren't the only people involved in the OKC bombing. I just have to laugh when it's suggested Iraq had a hand in it, and that the ATF were tipped off but didn't do anything about it except to save their own butts.

The latter suggests a friendly relationship between TMcV and someone in the ATF. Considering that one of the motives for the bombing was Waco, you really can't help but see the lunacy in this.
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The right hand of government is always aware of what the left is up to? If you and the rest of the sleep-walkers on this board bothered to actually check out the facts, it was the ATF informants who themselves who were attempting to provoke such attacks. No more "lunacy" to believe that than the conspiratorial burning of the Reichsteig. Or is that somehow more believeable??? Is it difficult to believe that government sponsored "sting" operations sometimes may go wrong? OKC cover-up Pooh-Poohers can Count Tom Jarrel and ABC's 20/20 in their contrived circle of "woo-wooers". He broke the original story of ATF'ers warned on their pagers, not to come to work that day due to a bomb threat. Sadly, save for a few FBI agents, no one else got the message.


-- Rouser
 
shanek said:
Guys, this is hardly woo-woo stuff. This is serious.
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I agree. Here's an MSNBC article that looks at some very interesting things related to the bombing.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4371384/

Read it, please. Get acquainted with who is saying what and why...and then come here and make jokes about it if you wish.
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Luceiia
 
Rouser2 said:
"A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) may have had accomplices at the scene..."

"Lawyers for Nichols say they have never been given the security video, photo disks or internal investigative file referenced in the documents...."

"The trial judge has threatened to dismiss the death penalty case if evidence was withheld..."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...419/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/mcveigh_video&printer=1

The "new" evidence comes as no surprise to serious students of the event but should come as a sobering wake-up call to those blindly accepted the original story put out by Federal prosecutors at the McVeigh and Nichols trials.

Other witnesses suggest that McVeigh's accomplices included a member of Iraqi Intellligence. Still other witnesses including an ATF informant suggest that the ATF itself had advance knowledge of the plot and made sure their people were not in the building on the day of the scheduled bombing. (See "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton" by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard).

-- Rouser
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:crazy: :dl:

Moron
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
Oh, and I almost forgot:

Rouser2, on July 20, 1969, did a US astronaut set foot on the moon?
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Now CS, haven't you ever seen Capricorn One? Sheesh. Everybody knows they did the whole thing on a movie set and they had to remove Armstrong's brain and replaced it with a zombie brain so he wouldn't tell and stuff. It was in all the papers.
 
NightG1 said:

Now CS, haven't you ever seen Capricorn One? Sheesh. Everybody knows they did the whole thing on a movie set and they had to remove Armstrong's brain and replaced it with a zombie brain so he wouldn't tell and stuff. It was in all the papers.
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I know you are joking, but Rouser2 really believes that. I'm serious.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
I know you are joking, but Rouser2 really believes that. I'm serious.
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I've seen you make the accusation that Rouser2 does not believe the US landed men on the moon numerous times on these boards. However, I've never read a post of his to that effect. Of course, I could have missed it, so I performed a search on all open forums for "moon landing" with the user name "Rouser2." I got six hits, four of which have him dismissing the question as off-topic or irrelevant. In the other two (found here and here) he denies the allegation.

It seems you may be mistaken. So can you provide a quote of his (perhaps in a new thread so that we don't swing off-topic here) to back up your claim?
 
Rouser2 said:
Still other witnesses including an ATF informant suggest that the ATF itself had advance knowledge of the plot and made sure their people were not in the building on the day of the scheduled bombing. (See "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton" by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard).

-- Rouser
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I do not really intend to look this info up myself, but does anyone know what kind of ATF office was in the federal building? I was required to contact the ATF in Hawaii back when I was an FFL, I found it was hard to actually get anyone on the phone. When I finally had the oportunity to talk to a live person, I was told that the field office is rarely occupied. The agents arrived in the morning, then departed soon after to conduct compliance inspections. Sometimes they would stop back during lunch, but usually they would just go to the office to check messages prior to going home.

It is really no surprise to me that the ATF office was empty when the bomb exploded. Was this ATF office a field office or something else?

Ranb
 
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