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OK Truthers, what is your smoking gun?
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Axxman300
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My problem here is that there is no such thing as an open secret. By definition either something is secret or it's not. If it's a secret then relatively few people know about it, and don't discuss it on the internet, or in public with those not cleared to hear the secret.
There are things that the general public is unaware of, but that's due to laziness or lack of interest on their part. Our relationship with the Saudis is a prime example of something with a small library written by former public officials, CIA and State Department employees, and even Presidents of the United States that a painfully few Americans have bothered to bone up on. Another great example was the public in-fighting between the FBI and CIA in the late 1990s as the FBI probed the CIA for moles. This was in the papers a lot back then. At the same time there was a huge spat between the FBI and the US Ambassador to Yemen who was impeding their investigation into the Cole bombing.
All of that was in the news prior to 9-11, 2001. It was not a secret, and hence when the investigation showed that the FBI and CIA dropped their respective balls it was no surprise to anybody who'd bother to pay attention.
The only smoking guns point to Al Qaeda and that has not changed in 14 years.
There are things that the general public is unaware of, but that's due to laziness or lack of interest on their part. Our relationship with the Saudis is a prime example of something with a small library written by former public officials, CIA and State Department employees, and even Presidents of the United States that a painfully few Americans have bothered to bone up on. Another great example was the public in-fighting between the FBI and CIA in the late 1990s as the FBI probed the CIA for moles. This was in the papers a lot back then. At the same time there was a huge spat between the FBI and the US Ambassador to Yemen who was impeding their investigation into the Cole bombing.
All of that was in the news prior to 9-11, 2001. It was not a secret, and hence when the investigation showed that the FBI and CIA dropped their respective balls it was no surprise to anybody who'd bother to pay attention.
The only smoking guns point to Al Qaeda and that has not changed in 14 years.
DGM
Skeptic not Atheist
ozeco41
Philosopher
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
,,or make the hijackers Iraqi and Afghani.
Crazy Chainsaw
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Allen773
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Yeah, making 15 of the 19 hijackers Saudi was an oversight on Bush-Cheney's part.
"House of Bush, House of Saud." Oops.
Dave Rogers
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through
An interesting point, hinging on the definition of the word "offer". I think conspiracy theories typically offer, but do not provide, an alternative explanation, in the same way that a con artist offers the promise of future riches but the long term benefits never actually materialise.
Dave
ozeco41
Philosopher
Have you ever met a truther who understands the meanings of "explain", "reasoned" or "argument".
Jango
Graduate Poster
"Decent enough"?
Decent enough is like a woman who is a 6.5 on the hotness scale. As I said, lousy standards.
Nick Terry
Illuminator
No, Travis does not have lousy standards when it comes to defining conspiracy theories.
He provided a very useful definition of a large category of conspiracy theories, event conspiracy theories - the proper criticism is that his definition wouldn't apply to meta-conspiracy theories, such as claims that the Illuminati have been orchestrating history from behind the scenes for centuries. An exam marker might praise Travis for his formulation but note that the definition didn't cover meta-conspiracy theories, the marker would not dismissively write 'lousy standards'.
Jango
Graduate Poster
Fonebone
persona non grata
"Concrete core"?
Now we know the poe within you.
Here is what it boils down to DGM...
Oxford University Press...versus anonymous cucurbitas in
a forum.
Bonafides -Oxford University Press
http://www.sense.nl/gfx_content/documents/ABCDE-indeling%20Scientific%20Publishers%20SENSE_approved_May_2009.pdf
[excerpt]
SENSE RANKING OF A
CADEMIC PUBLISHERS
For book publishers there is no internationally accepted system of ranking. Therefore, the SENSE
Research School has developed and approved its own ranking of scientific book publishers –
based on a list used by the research school CERES, which has been adjusted for SENSE in
close consultation with the SENSE community.
I refereed book publications:
A: Refereed book publications published by the world top of publishers
B: Refereed book publications published by the world’s semi-top of publishers
C: Refereed book publications published by other publishers
II non-refereed book publications
D: published for an academic public (professional publications)
E: mainly published for a non-academic (general) public
A-publishers (a few top-notch international publishers) – 4 credits per book chapter
Cambridge University Press
Columbia University Press
Harvard University Press
John’s Hopkins University Press
MIT Press Cambridge, Massachusetts
Oxford University Press
Princeton University Press
Stanford University Press
University of Chicago Press
Yale University Press
Anonymous cucurbita in a forum...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=10669396#post10669396
Bonafides = ZERO
verdict...
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Crazy Chainsaw
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What it comes down too is you have no Idea how the buildings were actually constructed,
and the author of the book was mistaken Believing a myth, as dumb as the myth that Jhonny
Appleseed, went around planting apples because he loved, the taste of sweet apples.
Good way to prove the theory of truther brain rot, causes empty skulls with vast room for air
Storage.
DGM
Skeptic not Atheist
Fair enough...
There are thousands of pictures of the towers during construction and after.
Pictures worth a thousand words, right?
I won't hold my breath.
Nick Terry
Illuminator
Old Testament Version: "Decent enough"
New Testament Version: "Very useful"
Nope. In your cherrypicking and snipping you forgot what I actually wrote before:
There are many decent enough works and statements which are also very useful, in that they provide starting points for refinement and further discussion.
Clearly, you're uninterested in further sensible discussion and only want to carp, snipe and criticise unconstructively from the sidelines. Those behaviours would also, by the way, be noted in the ideal book-length treatment of conspiracy theories, because there are very, very few CTs who transcend such behaviour.
Crazy Chainsaw
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That is because Jonesofiles are stuck in 2001, can some one please point me to Dr. Paint
Chips impact studies that rule out the formation of causical factors, for Aluminum oxidation
Reactions in the fires please?
I seemed to have missed that Scientific article some where in the years of wasted worthless conversations.
