Ohio Approves Intelligent Design for Schools

[fishbob]

Shanek:

He was messing with you.

Hammy:

BTW, get with the program; I thought you bunch prefer to say "f*cking retards" instead of "nincompoops".

I was giving you the benefit of doubt. You can upgrade at any time.

Science classes should steer clear of propaganda, editorials, and opinions. Science classes need to show facts, explain processes, demonstrate how to draw conclusions from evidence. If the ID proponents will agree to this curriculum, I say go for it. Critically evaluate evolution and ID, side by side. Kids might learn something.

 

[pupdog]

Critically evaluate evolution and ID, side by side. Kids might learn something.

No, fishbob, that just isn't their point! Their point is nothing less than replacing the scientific method with their brand of "theological science", as they have called it. They lament that our method of learning about the world does not allow for the actions of angels and devils.

 

[fishbob]

I agree that critical evaluation is not their point, but they have to start somewhere small.

Check the curriculum thread over in R&P. It appears that they are starting out at least by attempting to appear to compare science vs ID side by side.

This is the perfect chance to slam the ID concept hard. Present data, debunk myth, critically evaluate, lesson over.

My fear is that some large percentage of teachers will push the wackazoolian ID agenda instead of following the lesson plan.

 

[Quasi]

The other problem with allowing ID in the classroom is that the Discovery Institute makes the textbooks, they will make millions, and use the money to further the ID cause, so that regardless of what teachers think, they may be mandated to not slam ID.

 

[BillyTK]

Y'know, it's amazing how people make unwarranted cracks like this in irrelevant threads and then get all indignant when I accuse them of bias...

Good job the guy who made the crack isn't one of 'em, eh?

 

[Beerina]

> 90% of DNA is useless

Is this statement still general consensus? At what level of confidence?

Have no idea if it's true or not, but useless DNA supports evolution. All it shows is that the I of ID is not that I after all.


In evolution, useless parts probably disappear by modification of DNA to uselessness rather than deletion of that portion of the DNA (which would be a sencond pass of evolution taking advantage of the very marginal advantage of deletion of a useless chunk.) Deletion would require this further evolution to correct the mutation flaws that would arise from deleting a chunk.

In other words, you're looking at the 10th iteration of the 80/20 rule. Who knows how much evolution would have to occur to successfully delete that useless chunk of DNA? The only reasonable evolutionary solution to deletion might be not to delete it, the "hump" to get over to a minisculey lower local minima in the gradient descent might be pratically impossible.

 

[hammegk]

In other words, you're looking at the 10th iteration of the 80/20 rule. Who knows how much evolution would have to occur to successfully delete that useless chunk of DNA? The only reasonable evolutionary solution to deletion might be not to delete it, the "hump" to get over to a minisculey lower local minima in the gradient descent might be pratically impossible.

As good a scientific rationalization as was someone's thought on the god-may-exist side: Maybe it's Comment Statements.

 

[pupdog]

fishbob:

It appears that they are starting out at least by attempting to appear to compare science vs ID side by side.

Which is exactly one of their important goals--to be included, side-by-side, with real science. Then, when they claim they are doing science, more people will believe them.

 

[Jas]

Maybe if they covered the definition of science and the scientific method right before the ID lesson, then it would be readily apparent that ID's not science.

 

[fishbob]

Which is exactly one of their important goals--to be included, side-by-side, with real science. Then, when they claim they are doing science, more people will believe them.

I know, I know. But I keep hoping that somebody gets a chance to thump the ID nitwits at their own game. It bugs me that the only actions against the nincompoop agenda are defensive. I want offense, even at the risk of being offensive.

 

[kuroyume0161]

Perhapsthenonsensecodeislikethespacebetweenwords. Itdoesn'tmeananything,butkeepsthemeaningfulwordsapart. Still,sentenceswouldbeprettyhardtoreadwithoutspaces.

Obviously you haven't read Japanese. ;0)

 

[nightwind]

Evolution

Ha. You've got to be kiddin me. It does surprise me a little, that Ohio is the state that passes something like this. I wouldn't have been quite as surprised had it came from the south, like my own state of Texas. But I thought folks a little further up North were a little more sensible.

However, I realize that this is a schoolboard, who everyone and his dog can serve for. All it takes is just a few idiots who never paid attention to science lessons to do something like this. Now they are a laughing stock. Ha.

 

[pupdog]

I realize that this is a schoolboard, who everyone and his dog can serve for.

But notice that in most (every?) case, the Troops from the Wedge come into town to mislead the schoolboards, city councils, state legislatures, etc. One almost (almost, but not quite) can't blame these people for making bad decisions when they're encouraged by the ID Army, who mislead and distort to an unbelieveable extent.

Folks up North more sensible? Nah.