Official - Michael Jackson was scum

[TragicMonkey]

OK, you tell me. What's the prejudice at work?

Try sounding it out with phonics! 'Pre' means what? 'Judice' means what?

For those under the age of seven:

'before judging'. I.e. judging before hearing the facts or looking at the evidence.

 

[Fudbucker]

Try sounding it out with phonics! 'Pre' means what? 'Judice' means what?

For those under the age of seven:

'before judging'. I.e. judging before hearing the facts or looking at the evidence.

I made my judgement years ago based on one fact: MJ likes to sleep with little boys.

Am I wrong? Are there other facts that might mitigate a rich man's predilection of wanting young boys to sleep with him?

 

[TragicMonkey]

I made my judgement years ago

The very definition of prejudice.

 

[Fudbucker]

The very definition of prejudice.

No, it's not. It's based on the fact that a grown man admitted to sleeping with little boys. That is evidence, whether you like it or not. Most grown men do not engage in such behavior. I don't. Do you?

Are you trying to have a serious discussion about prejudice, or just trying to be pithy.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Most grown men do not engage in such behavior. I don't. Do you?

Here's a serious question for you to consider. Why don't they? If it was an adult woman, would the same reasoning apply?

Are you trying to have a serious discussion about prejudice, or just trying to be pithy.

Answer the above question seriously, and you might understand his point.

 

[Foolmewunz]

No, it's not. It's based on the fact that a grown man admitted to sleeping with little boys. That is evidence, whether you like it or not. Most grown men do not engage in such behavior. I don't. Do you?

Are you trying to have a serious discussion about prejudice, or just trying to be pithy.

Whether you think your prejudice was founded on a valid concern, which is a dubious claim at best, it is the very definition of prejudice. You made up your mind years ago based on the twisted wording "sleeps with" of gossip rags.

Please provide evidence that Jackson slept with little boys. Evidence that hasn't been refuted would be best, but if you provide any evidence we can help you refute it, yourself.

"Most men don't engage in such behavior...." We've been there and I gave an innocent example of how you could be wrong. Is that really beyond possibility to you... that you could be wrong, that you're basing all of this on a visceral reaction, the "Eeew Factor" as I call it?

 

[Foolmewunz]

You miss understand me.

They aren't million dollar lawyers for nothing

They just did what they are paid to do

I guess I did misunderstand you.

When you told DragonLady that you were going to look into some of the evidence she provided and weren't in your thread for a few days, I thought you were actually examining the evidence. Silly me.

When you said you gave up on the trial transcripts when you saw the million dollar legal team's manipulations, you meant "I didn't read the trial transcripts because I know better and I'd like to characterize their defense as manipulation because it sounds like I know what I'm talking about".

You haven't read the trial transcripts. You haven't examined the evidence. Why should anyone take you seriously? We might as well be discussing the case with Lucy the Duck Girl.

 

[cullennz]

I guess I did misunderstand you.

When you told DragonLady that you were going to look into some of the evidence she provided and weren't in your thread for a few days, I thought you were actually examining the evidence. Silly me.

When you said you gave up on the trial transcripts when you saw the million dollar legal team's manipulations, you meant "I didn't read the trial transcripts because I know better and I'd like to characterize their defense as manipulation because it sounds like I know what I'm talking about".

You haven't read the trial transcripts. You haven't examined the evidence. Why should anyone take you seriously? We might as well be discussing the case with Lucy the Duck Girl.

The transcripts are extremely one sided from the links

I am still looking at other less biased sites.

In between porn nut Mikey my nuts are different colours. Hop into bed little kid Jackson

 

[TragicMonkey]

The transcripts are extremely one sided from the links

I am still looking at other less biased sites.

You don't know what a transcript is, do you? They appear one sided because that's how the trial was. The prosecution had no case. It tore up faster than a Kleenex in a snot storm. You are complaining that reality doesn't match your expectations, so you want a less real version that will suit you better!

 

[Foolmewunz]

The transcripts are extremely one sided from the links

I am still looking at other less biased sites.

In between porn nut Mikey my nuts are different colours. Hop into bed little kid Jackson

What? The transcripts are THE TRANSCRIPTS. They are every word spoken in the trial, taken down by the court stenographer. How the hell do you find that biased? Because it doesn't reach your "Eeeew, he's a homo paedo" conclusion.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Here you go. Since you think the website is important, here's a link provided by a "guilty" site.

http://www.mjfacts.com/2005-michael-jackson-molestation-trial-transcripts/


Have at it. Show us the manipulation. Show us where even "sleeps with" is given credibility. Show us where they verified "child porn". Show us that you at least have read the evidence.

And this **** is easy to find. You haven't bothered looking for it because you simply know you're right. I knew I was right, too. Before I actually started looking into the actual facts.

Show of hands... Innocenters: Who else was originally willing to believe the allegations? I admit that I was. The "He's a weirdo, talks real delicate, must be a homo" meme was very common through the 80s and 90s.

 

[Babbylonian]

Show of hands... Innocenters: Who else was originally willing to believe the allegations? I admit that I was. The "He's a weirdo, talks real delicate, must be a homo" meme was very common through the 80s and 90s.

I found him extremely off-putting for a long time before the accusations started being made, and there's no doubt that I still think he likely had an aberrant sexual predilection...mainly, admittedly because of some degree of prejudice generated by my perception of him. However, I also know that nobody was able to prove anything criminal despite years of trying. Even this stupid thread was kicked off with pure innuendo.

Being certain of his guilt should be impossible for anyone claiming to be a skeptic.

 

[Giordano]

[snip] However, I also know that nobody was able to prove anything criminal despite years of trying. Even this stupid thread was kicked off with pure innuendo.

Being certain of his guilt should be impossible for anyone claiming to be a skeptic.

This exactly! I personally believed that MJ was very odd with serious emotional issues. When I heard of the accusations I thought, "Sure, that doesn't surprise me." But when I learned of the actual facts in the case it became clear to me that the case was based on a house of cards fueled by the tabloid press and by the usual desire of society to believe the worse of people who are strange compared to the norm.

I don't know what MJ's thoughts were, anymore than anyone else's, but I don't see any evidence that he did anything criminally wrong.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Show of hands... Innocenters: Who else was originally willing to believe the allegations? I admit that I was. The "He's a weirdo, talks real delicate, must be a homo" meme was very common through the 80s and 90s.

I thought there could be something to it until the trial. Once that happened I was like, what? They don't have a thing.

 

[DragonLady]

Show of hands... Innocenters: Who else was originally willing to believe the allegations? I admit that I was. The "He's a weirdo, talks real delicate, must be a homo" meme was very common through the 80s and 90s.

Yes; I was willing to believe them at first, too. I thought, "Wow, all that money to hide behind! All those people willing to help him do terrible things and cover them up because he can pay so much."

But somewhere early on I started following the case -just as a distraction, I guess, because I usually don't follow child abuse cases at all. But when I really started reading the reports and the tabloids and listening to the news about it, I began to realize there was something really fishy about it. That initial impression only grew with time, and when the first accuser didn't want anything to do with the criminal trial, I was certain he was just being extorted.

But when it happened again, I though "Oh, wow...he must've really been doing this all along! And we weren't able to stop him!!!" I started paying more attention just as I had before, but again...rinse and repeat, as the charges mounted and the timelines changed and the goalposts moved, I became more and more skeptical. When he was acquitted I wasn't surprised.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Skeptics, one and all. Perhaps some other posters will learn by example.


To Checkmite,
I disagree with your conclusions but I will admit that you've actually put some thought to it and have what I would say are coherent reasons for your own take on this. [You're wrong, of course, but you at least put some work into it.]

 

[Ryokan]

Count me in as someone who believed the allegations, and just knew he was guilty even after the trial. I was never into Michael Jackson, so I didn't really follow the trial. I just read the headlines and the occasional article. Jackson was a weirdo and there's no smoke without fire, right?

Years later I actually looked into the case and the evidence presented at the trial. It paints a completely different picture. I don't have much doubt now that he was innocent of the charges, and that there were people looking for a large check.

 

[John Nowak]

Show of hands... Innocenters: Who else was originally willing to believe the allegations? I admit that I was. The "He's a weirdo, talks real delicate, must be a homo" meme was very common through the 80s and 90s.

I'm not an "innocenter," but I do not believe his guilt was established. Call me a "not-guiltyer."

 

[cullennz]

This exactly! I personally believed that MJ was very odd with serious emotional issues. When I heard of the accusations I thought, "Sure, that doesn't surprise me." But when I learned of the actual facts in the case it became clear to me that the case was based on a house of cards fueled by the tabloid press and by the usual desire of society to believe the worse of people who are strange compared to the norm.

I don't know what MJ's thoughts were, anymore than anyone else's, but I don't see any evidence that he did anything criminally wrong.

He was a grown man sleeping with little kids and a massive porn collection

 

[Foolmewunz]

He was a grown man sleeping with little kids and a massive porn collection

You've finished reading up on the transcripts have you?