Official - Michael Jackson was scum

[cullennz]

This needs to be preserved for posterity. It really is the ne plus ultra of your "case".

Rates right up there with "dudes in dresses".

Don't care about dudes in dresses

A drug addicted bloke with a fetish for kiddy porn who convinces little kids to sleep in his bed due to his fame, however I find hard to take as innocent

 

[Foolmewunz]

Ahh cool

Sorry. Forgot

The multi million dollar legal team

Try again. The PROSECUTION. The JUDGE. The JURY.

You will find that the American trial system is similar to New Zealand's. Those parties are not part of the multi-million dollar legal team. The judge made about 85k a year. The prosecutor a similar amount. The jurors made about fifteen dollars a day.

What part of "the jury found him innocent" are you having trouble with? The judge made the prosecution sign-off on a clarifying statement that "No Child Porn" was found.

 

[DragonLady]

So to him it may not have been art?

Whom is him? MJ? (shrug) Who knows?

I used to read Ann Rice. I loved her early works. When she came out with a new book, I bought it. Then her work changed, and while I continued to buy them, I ended up with several that took me years to read. I ended up owning a couple I thought were nothing but trash.

I can't speak for MJ or his tastes. I have no idea what he thought was art, and the best clues available now are the lists other people of compiled of the stuff he liked.

ETA

Besides his own art, of course, and I haven't really paid a lot of attention to it.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Don't care about dudes in dresses

A drug addicted bloke with a fetish for kiddy porn who convinces little kids to sleep in his bed due to his fame, however I find hard to take as innocent

Good thing you weren't on the jury, then. But... as I know you're a relatively sentient being, I'd be curious what you'd say if you actually read the trial transcripts. A shame you're to busy wrapping yourself in your cloak of "well, it just seems to me".

 

[DragonLady]

Actually, I should amend my statement a bit: I enjoyed the first books of hers I read. I don't have any idea what timeline she wrote a lot of the others on, as I just bought them when I happened to see them.

 

[cullennz]

Good thing you weren't on the jury, then. But... as I know you're a relatively sentient being, I'd be curious what you'd say if you actually read the trial transcripts. A shame you're to busy wrapping yourself in your cloak of "well, it just seems to me".

I gave up after the million dollar legal team started manipulation

 

[cullennz]

I'll ask a simple question

How does a drug addicted supa dupa star with all his weird foibles and addiction to kiddy porn/art

Trump kids who slept in his bed

 

[DragonLady]

I'll ask a simple question

How does a drug addicted supa dupa star with all his weird foibles and addiction to kiddy porn/art

Trump kids who slept in his bed

He doesn't.

However, it remains unproven he did anything illegal.

 

[cullennz]

He doesn't.

However, it remains unproven he did anything illegal.

And that is fine if you go purely legal with his million dollar team.

But don't expect others to not realise druggie dude with the fetish didn't do nasty stuff

 

[DragonLady]

And that is fine if you go purely legal with his million dollar team.

But don't expect others to not realise believe in spite of the "not guilty" verdict druggie dude with the fetish didn't do nasty stuff

Fixed it.

No; I don't expect others to change their minds once they're made up. I've been hanging 'round forums for nearly 20 years, and the number of times I've seen that happen can be counted on my fingers.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Art?

Lol

Yes, even if you don't like it, that doesn't make it not art.

 

[PhantomWolf]

I don't want "not safe for work" images on my computer that your own link describes as sexualized young children.

I don't want to see kiddie porn and I don't want to see the artistic version (Sexualized young children). That Jackson had such a book (along with his other pervy behavior) is enough to move the dial for me.

If you are unwilling to view the images, then any comment you make on them is invalid, you are merely parroting other people's opinion, opinion you have no idea as to if they are right or wrong. I also suspect that many art historians would find your belief and your declaration that the painting Saint John The Baptist and Infant Christ Playing In a landscape is Kiddie Porn all without even viewing it, to be rather laughable.

 

[Dipayan]

If you can't see sexualisation in that supposed art you live in a different world to me

What about it is sexualization? If you could explain your perspective that might help me.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Art?

Lol

BTW, how about answering the question posed, how are the first two images worse than the second two?

 

[Foolmewunz]

I gave up after the million dollar legal team started manipulation

Well, there ya go. We now have a starting point. On what day of testimony or of the trial do you first find this manipulation? Of course, you might need an understanding that "manipulation" is not actually a legal term and that in the US, like in NZ, it is the defense's job to put on a vigorous defense for the accused.

So where does this "manipulation" start? Please cite date and approximate time so we can all learn together.

 

[KatieG]

Isn't it more likely that MJ was trying to recreate the childhood he never had? I've read about several child stars that never got a chance to just be kids. From what I've seen and read about NeverLand, most kids would love to go there. Besides the outside fun stuff, there were video and arcade games, plus toys galore! All things that any child would be thrilled to play with. Most young boys wouldn't want girls around cuz cooties, ya know.

 

[carlitos]

....the mountain of evidence that got him off in the trial.

Eww.

 

[cullennz]

Isn't it more likely that MJ was trying to recreate the childhood he never had? I've read about several child stars that never got a chance to just be kids. From what I've seen and read about NeverLand, most kids would love to go there. Besides the outside fun stuff, there were video and arcade games, plus toys galore! All things that any child would be thrilled to play with. Most young boys wouldn't want girls around cuz cooties, ya know.

And sleeping in Mike's bed with all his porn

 

[Fudbucker]

If you are unwilling to view the images, then any comment you make on them is invalid, you are merely parroting other people's opinion, opinion you have no idea as to if they are right or wrong. I also suspect that many art historians would find your belief and your declaration that the painting Saint John The Baptist and Infant Christ Playing In a landscape is Kiddie Porn all without even viewing it, to be rather laughable.

Uh, it was from a link you gave me: http://metapsychology.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=book&id=1811

Are the links you provide right or wrong? From YOUR link:

Many of the manipulated photographic pictures portray sexualized young children.

In "Untitled #79. 1999" a girl with a baby doll-like face but very styled hair is reclining in a park, exposing adult breasts.

These are not pretty images, and their flirting with taboos of child sexuality, disturbance, and death place Johan's work in the realm of a rather adolescent surrealism.

Are these accurate reviews or not? If accurate, thanks, more evidence that MJ was a creepy perv. If not accurate, why on Earth would you link to it?

 

[cullennz]

Well, there ya go. We now have a starting point. On what day of testimony or of the trial do you first find this manipulation? Of course, you might need an understanding that "manipulation" is not actually a legal term and that in the US, like in NZ, it is the defense's job to put on a vigorous defense for the accused.

So where does this "manipulation" start? Please cite date and approximate time so we can all learn together.

You miss understand me.

They aren't million dollar lawyers for nothing

They just did what they are paid to do