Merged Occupy Wall St.'s drumbeat grows louder

GOP candidate and Florida businessman Herman Cain had no sympathy for the protesters or their message. On CBS' "Face the Nation" Sunday, Cain said protesters are acting out of "jealousy" for bankers' success, and suggested demonstrators who complain that they are jobless are just "playing the victim card."

Odd measure of "success" when it required massive public backed bailouts. By that metric, I am infinity more successful than most of the Wall Street banks and investment houses, based on my personal finances being in the black. Where the f*&% is my multi-million dollar bonus?

Who has paid the price for the banking crisis in the US?
1. Home buyers that over leveraged have been foreclosed on. Check.
2. Home owners that did not over leverage, have seen their property values drop. Check
3. Tax payers paid the bill to keep the banking industry running. Check
4. The working class is out of a job. Check
5. The public sector employee has been demonized, lost their job, and pension and is under attack by opportunist politicians. Check
6. Bankers still getting their bonuses. Chec...er WTF?



Daredelvis
 
Odd measure of "success" when it required massive public backed bailouts. By that metric, I am infinity more successful than most of the Wall Street banks and investment houses, based on my personal finances being in the black. Where the f*&% is my multi-million dollar bonus?

Start a company and then you can pay yourself all the bonuses you want!

Who has paid the price for the banking crisis in the US?
1. Home buyers that over leveraged have been foreclosed on. Check.

This is the way it's supposed to work.

2. Home owners that did not over leverage, have seen their property values drop. Check

Property values go up. They go down. Same for stocks, in case you didn't know that. :)

3. Tax payers paid the bill to keep the banking industry running. Check

False. Tax payers made money on the deal. I'd love to loan the banks even more!!!

4. The working class is out of a job. Check

False. I'm working class, as are most of my friends. We all have jobs.

5. The public sector employee has been demonized, lost their job, and pension and is under attack by opportunist politicians. Check

They should vote those "opportunist politicians" out of office.

6. Bankers still getting their bonuses. Chec...er WTF?

You should buy stock in those banks, then vote against bonuses.
 
They are too stupid to understand that this area of the city just isn't "wall street". People live near that park and are kept up constantly by the drums and the shouting. That park is occupied by a bunch of disgusting, filthy hippies who care about no one except themselves. I've seen it personally and in no way, shape or form am I part of what they consider the "other 99%". The question I have now is that since the park is private property, why haven't the owners had this freak show evicted on trespassing charges?

This.

These are the teabaggers of the left, and they share the same arrogant belief that they speak for "the rest of us". No, they don't.
 
Ah yes, the old NIMBY solution.

I highly doubt that seeing a naked woman in a park is going to scar your nephew anywhere near as much as the crushing national debt he's inheriting will.

I have no doubt there are jobs available in NYC. I also have no doubt that there are many more jobseekers than there are jobs. Otherwise, unemployment wouldn't be 9.1%

It's 3.8% in North Dakota. I wonder why these people aren't on the first bus to Fargo? Oh, that's right, they'd actually have to work when they got there.
 
When the snow gets heavy in NYC the Department of Sanitation does pay people to shovel it. I know several people who did it last winter and were glad for the work. I'll bump this thread in January or February if I hear that any of the digusting hippies in Zuccotti Park applys for those jobs. Somehow, I don't think so.

None of them will be there anymore. They'll "occupy" Wall Street until the crises is over. Or it get's below 30 degrees, whichever comes first.
 
Wow, some on the left start a grass-roots protest, wanting to right what they see as wrong with the country, and some on the right condemn it as un-American.

I guess "taking back your country" only counts if it's the side you agree with. I would think many in the the Tea Party would be pleased with this, since the basis of all the protests is fiscal responsibility (naked chicks in lower Manhattan optional.)

Michael

These are the teabaggers of the left. They are the complete opposite of the tea baggers with one exception - they share a common IQ below 50.
 
I went down to Occupy Boston Saturday with a libertarian friend of mine out of curiosity. I was actually surprised at how well organized and clean it was. There weren't even cigarrette butts on the ground, there were tin cans all over the place for the butts. The tent area was well organized, with wooden planks laid down between the groupings of tents to act as paths. There was a food tent, medical tent, media tent, library tent, even a tent for religious services. Some people didn't have tents but were instead under plastic sheeting or tarps. While I was there, lots of people pulled their cars over to offer supplies - food, water, sleeping bags, etc.

As of the time I went down Saturday. relations between the city and protesters were still good. The protesters were staying in one space that wasn't disruptive to the city. They made plans with the police in advance for when they would do protest marches so they could make arrangements to close thre streets. The city agreed to pick up their trash and allow them to use nearby public bathrooms. Basically what the city and cops said that as long as they kept it safe and sanitary and not disruptive. They also had to agree to reseed the lawn where they camped out. There were cops there when I went down, but they and the protesters seemed to be getting along.

However, in the news this morning they stated that the area they are occupying has just expanded, as has the scope of their marches, and that previously good relationships between the occupiers and the city/law enforcement has started to break down.

When I was there, which granted, was only for a few hours, everyone was very nice and civil. When people would stop to talk to them, it never got heated, even when they were disagreeing.

I just couldn't really understand the protests. Tents had signs on them with their goals, but everyone seemed to have a different one. One tent would have a stop global warming sign, another a "get out of Iraq/Afghanistan" sign, another complaining about jobs and one after that complaining health care.

There also seemed to be no cohesion in the ideology of people gathered there. There were socialists, capitalist libertarians, Oathkeepers/ Freeman of the Landists, and anarchists all there, standing side by side. The only thing they could seem to agree on was that they were sick of partisan politics, and that they believed that the right/left division of the U.S. was something orchestrated by "them" to keep the common man divided so "they" could seize all the power and control while we were distracted fighting amongst themselves. Who "they" were supposed to be depended on who you asked. Some said it was the Federal Reserve, others the presidency, others Wallstreet, and still others the Illuminati. No one seemed to have any great love for either the Democrat or Republican party. Though there were socialists there, I don't feel that a majority of the protesters there were against capitalism as a general rule (and certainly that wouldn't apply to the libertarians in attendence). Many of them were young people frustrated at the lack of good job opportunities, and lots of people there lamented the increasing rich/poor divide. Shipping jobs overseas also was a big bone of contention.

There also were quite a few homeless people and tramp kids who didn't seem to be there because of politics so much as the safety, shelter, and resources provided by the tent city.

But still, I just couldn't really understand what the point was, or if there was one, since there was no unified ideology. Obviously they all seemed dissatisfied with the current system, but past that, I couldn't figure out what they actually hoped to accomplish.
 
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But still, I just couldn't really understand what the point was, or if there was one, since there was no unified ideology. Obviously they all seemed dissatisfied with the current system, but past that, I couldn't figure out what they actually hoped to accomplish.


It's The Revolution That Doesn't Change Anything.

Anecdotally-speaking, there are some who seem to think that what's happening in Zuccotti Park is nothing like the Boston event you witnessed.
 
Start a company and then you can pay yourself all the bonuses you want!

Who has paid the price for the banking crisis in the US?
1. Home buyers that over leveraged have been foreclosed on. Check.

This is the way it's supposed to work.
No argument there.
2. Home owners that did not over leverage, have seen their property values drop. Check

Property values go up. They go down. Same for stocks, in case you didn't know that. :)
N.S.S.
3. Tax payers paid the bill to keep the banking industry running. Check

False. Tax payers made money on the deal. I'd love to loan the banks even more!!!
If they made money on the deal (and there is some dispute about that conclusion), they are still reeling from the ensuing economic slow down, and resulting reduction in tax revenues. It is indisputable that the tax payers have taken a hit from the banking crisis.
4. The working class is out of a job. Check

False. I'm working class, as are most of my friends. We all have jobs.
So do I, and your anecdotal evidence is noted.
5. The public sector employee has been demonized, lost their job, and pension and is under attack by opportunist politicians. Check

They should vote those "opportunist politicians" out of office.
They should.
6. Bankers still getting their bonuses. Chec...er WTF?

You should buy stock in those banks, then vote against bonuses.
How many times have stock holders been able to reduce executive compensation recently?

Daredelvis
 
So do I, and your anecdotal evidence is noted.

You said the "working class" is out of a job. That is clearly not the case.

It would have been more accurate to say "some in the working class are out of a job". At which point you could have included "some in the upper class are out of a job". :)
 
I bet they were quite upset by this, as they wore their Chinese-made Nikes and Sri Lankan made t-shirts. :)
While smoking cigarettes made by Big Tobacco, stocking the medical tent with products produced by Big Pharma, using Big Electronics products to post on Big Social Networking about how they're sticking it to The Corporate Man and aren't gonna take it any more.
 
Come on.... don't pretend that's not a problem....
I know, those Chinese and Sri Lankens don't deserve jobs in their own countries. They're not fully human like you and I after all, and besides I'm sure they'd be happier slogging through subsistence-farm rice paddies for 2 cents a day, that's what the FSM made them for. :rolleyes:
 
In fairness, I suppose the fact that they wouldn't be able to find non-outsourced shoes and clothes, wouldn't be able to stock the medical tent with non-"Big Pharma" supplies, wouldn't be able to social network without corporate-produced devices on corporate-provided social networking services and etc even if they tried, might serve more as an argument for them rather than against them.
 
While smoking cigarettes made by Big Tobacco, stocking the medical tent with products produced by Big Pharma, using Big Electronics products to post on Big Social Networking about how they're sticking it to The Corporate Man and aren't gonna take it any more.



Well, as I said, there wasn't a unifying message there. Quite a few people I talked to (and not just the libertarians) said right off the bat they weren't against coprorations or capitalism as a general rule. Some there, for instance, really only had a problem specifically with big banks and financial firms, or with the Federal Reserve or some other specific institution....so it wouldn't necessarily be hypocritical for them to patron other corporations.

But I definitely did see things like socialists who actually did have signs that were anti capitalist or anti corporate drinking out of Dunkin Donuts coffee cups while smoking Marlboro cigs and typing on their smart phones and wearing Chuck Taylors.
 
In fairness, I suppose the fact that they wouldn't be able to find non-outsourced shoes and clothes,
http://store.americanapparel.net/

wouldn't be able to stock the medical tent with non-"Big Pharma" supplies,
But that should be fine by them, since they want to have a corporate-free world. They could stock the tent with herbs and oils and leeches and such.

wouldn't be able to social network without corporate-produced devices on corporate-provided social networking services and etc even if they tried, might serve more as an argument for them rather than against them.
I know, not being a hypocrite is hard! All those corporate-produced goodies are like crack! Crack is banned, so shouldn't we ban corporate-produced goods?
 

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