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Observations on atheists

wittgenst3in said:

I believe my employer will pay me for my work. However this is because I have seen evidence of this. Not only have I seen people being paid, but when I walk into the place I see well fed, clothed people, who would not be able to be so had they not been paid.
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Seeing is believing, right? Hey, I'm only replying here because I didn't want you to think I forgot about you. :D
 
Riddick said:

Accusing all of the above could also qualify as flame-baiting, trolling, troll-baiting and flame-trolling, would it not?
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Only if you are a stunted adolescent with a chip on your shoulder.

Are you?

Yes, I'm well aware that the atheist "rubber stamp" places the burden on me.
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And yet...

I'm surprised you don't want to prove it for yourself, being the discovering type that you are.
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Okay, you prove that unicorns don't exist and I'll prove that a God does. ::rolleyes::

I'm not gullible enough to just blindly assume God doesn't exist.
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Yet you are gullible enough to assume God does exist based on passages that have been translated by illiterate humans by hand for generations within an organization run by humans trying to maintain their wealth and station in the social order?

Q: Does 2,000 year old proof somehow become invalid with the passing of time? In 2,000 years, will the law of gravity still be valid, or will you require more proof of it?
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2,000 year old proof is still proof. But you must be talking about actual proof, not the Bible, right?
 
Iacchus said:
Yes, but if you didn't believe in at least that much, what would you believe?[/i]
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I am unsure of what you are getting at but I "believe" that my signature says it all.

This is really the same faith = trust argument that I (we) have had a hundred times here.

Faith = belief without evidence
Trust= belief with evidence

We I say belief I am referring to the latter, with evidence, version.
 
Gulliamo said:

I am unsure of what you are getting at but I "believe" that my signature says it all.

This is really the same faith = trust argument that I (we) have had a hundred times here.

Faith = belief without evidence
Trust= belief with evidence

We I say belief I am referring to the latter, with evidence, version.
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It's too bad you can't get the "belief" word from out in the middle of it though, right? All it suggests is that there's different levels of belief which, is all there will ever be. ;)
 
Iacchus said:
It's too bad you can't get the "belief" word from out in the middle of it though, right? All it suggests is that there's different levels of belief which, is all there will ever be. ;)
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You play with word games, just like you do with numbers - whilst completely ignoring the point and making useless comments, giving the impression that you actually have something to say.
 
RabbiSatan said:

You play with word games, just like you do with numbers - whilst completely ignoring the point and making useless comments, giving the impression that you actually have something to say.
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Are you sure that what you're saying here should not go uncontested? And how much so? Can you give me at least a rough percentage please?
 
Iacchus said:
Are you sure that what you're saying here should not go uncontested? And how much so? Can you give me at least a rough percentage please?
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My my - you really do have a knack for ironically proving my point don't you?

I grow tired of this - as others have pointed out to you, you are simply impervious to logic.
 
RabbiSatan said:

My my - you really do have a knack for ironically proving my point don't you?

I grow tired of this - as others have pointed out to you, you are simply impervious to logic.
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All I'm trying to point out is that you have no more basis for saying what you do than I. And you don't.
 
Iacchus said:
All I'm trying to point out is that you have no more basis for saying what you do than I. And you don't.
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You're saying that a position that blindly accepts a postulation without any backing of evidence has the same basis as a position that exists on evidence?

Pray tell me - are you serious?
 
RabbiSatan said:

You're saying that a position that blindly accepts a postulation without any backing of evidence has the same basis as a position that exists on evidence?

Pray tell me - are you serious?
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I'm saying that nothing is 100 percent foolproof. Indeed, we may very well be living in The Matrix and we don't know it. So that blasts any notion of an external reality clear out of the water.
 
Iacchus said:
I'm saying that nothing is 100 percent foolproof. Indeed, we may very well be living in The Matrix and we don't know it.
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Then how did you reach such a conclusion in the first place if there was no way of knowing, unless you were wishfully thinking?

So that blasts any notion of an external reality clear out of the water.
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Non sequitor.
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RabbiSatan said:

Then how did you reach such a conclusion in the first place if there was no way of knowing, unless you were wishfully thinking?
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Well, I wish very much to remain alive, if that's what you mean. Isn't that pretty much what life is about? ;)


Non sequitor.
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Wrong.
 
Iacchus said:
Well, I wish very much to remain alive if that's what you mean. Isn't that pretty much what life is about? ;)
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You didn't answer the question, just like every other thread you're in, evasion noted.

Wrong.
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Then please - tell me how does "Not knowing" that we might live in the Matrix (Which I have already pointed out to you that believing in such a thing involves Wishful thinking) blast external reality out of the water?



Edit: Besides - Zaarydragon is trashing you about that right now in another thread.
 
RabbiSatan said:

You didn't answer the question, just like every other thread you're in, evasion noted.
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Life is capricious, indeed! Ever try to catch the wind in your hand? As soon as you think you've got it it's gone. ;)


Edit: Besides - Zaarydragon is trashing you about that right now in another thread.
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Wishful thinking, right? ;)
 
Eek... don't think of it as 'trashing'. Think of it as 'friendly disagreement with maximum prejudice". :D

lol

didn't know my views warranted such a comment
 
zaayrdragon said:

... A pox upon your firstborn, Iacchus, and a wart upon your tushie.

:D
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Oh, do you actually believe in that stuff? Is that why you've left the door open to the possibility of God? Hey, I have it upon good authority that that stuff actually works -- if, you know what you're doing that is. ;)
 
And by the way, if you don't believe in god, you still can't escape the fact that you have to believe in something, or else how would you function?

False, I don't need beliefs to function.

For example, if I were to ask if you believed you existed and, if you couldn't reply with anything close to a "yes," then there would be no point in you trying to stipulate anything further.

No, I don't believe I exist, I actually know I exist and this knowledge is based on evidence.

Why? Because you haven't established a basis by which to accept anything. And why should I bother?

No need for beliefs, just conclusions.

So, before we continue this little game of semantics further, you might want to bear this in mind. ;)

You are the one playing silly semantic games by trying to equivocate belief in gods with knowledge and conclusions.
 
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