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Obama's Pastor: U.S. to Blame for 9/11

And Colmes? I almost never watch the program - too much heat, not enough light - but I know enough about it that there's no way Colmes wouldn't give him a hard time.
True that. But the media is not distancing themselves from Robertson, are they? This is after he agreed with Falwell that 911 was due to the gays. After he blamed Katrina as punishment for America's wickedness. After he called for the assasination of Chavez. At what point does the conservative media just call Robertson a kook and ignore him?

Sorry, that's a grip-and-grin,

Did you read the link where Giuliani and Robertson have had a few sit downs to talk about positions and such?
 
True that. But the media is not distancing themselves from Robertson, are they? This is after he agreed with Falwell that 911 was due to the gays. After he blamed Katrina as punishment for America's wickedness. After he called for the assasination of Chavez. At what point does the conservative media just call Robertson a kook and ignore him?
About three minutes after they start calling Al Sharpton a race-baiting demagogue and ignore him?

Ignoring both of them would be fine with me, FWIW.
 
Obama just denounced the Ex pastor's statements ,and in fairly strong language. I wonder how this will play out. The problem Obama has is how long until a few of Al Sharpton types start accusing him of selling out to Whitey?
 
Obama just denounced the Ex pastor's statements ,and in fairly strong language. I wonder how this will play out. The problem Obama has is how long until a few of Al Sharpton types start accusing him of selling out to Whitey?
Well that's been done. The opposition tried "not black enough", and that didn't work. Now it's time for "too black --- and if anyone objects to me saying that then they are racist bigots in some way that I can't quite explain".
 
Obama just denounced the Ex pastor's statements ,and in fairly strong language. I wonder how this will play out. The problem Obama has is how long until a few of Al Sharpton types start accusing him of selling out to Whitey?
My bet is about 8 seconds after the Inauguration ceremonies end.
 
My bet is about 8 seconds after the Inauguration ceremonies end.


Nah, I bet about 8 seconds after he clinches the Nomination,because then he will officially be part of the Establishment and will have kissed the Ring on the hand of The Man.
 
Nah, I bet about 8 seconds after he clinches the Nomination,because then he will officially be part of the Establishment and will have kissed the Ring on the hand of The Man.
Yeah, but they're not idiots. Until he's elected, he's one of them.
 
To find a White version of Rev. Wright you would have to go to a Klan pastor or Christian Identity Church.

Obama has been kissing this guy’s backside for 20 years and he is just now finding out what the Rev. is all about.
 
This also was the church that had such a strong influence on Obama it made him convert to christianity after being raised un-religious. As crazy as republican supporting preachers are, this doesn't seem to be comparable, since this is Obama voluntarily profoundly associating himself (converting because of this church, being a member for over 20 years, long term voluntary self described "family" like relationship with this crazy pastor) not vis versa, ie crazy preachers voluntarily associating themselves with republicans and republicans accepting to increase supporters.
This is why the talk show people aren't hopping on this very much - because constantly mentioning his 20-year association with a Christian church makes it hard for them to claim he's a Muslim.
 
To find a White version of Rev. Wright you would have to go to a Klan pastor or Christian Identity Church.
I defer to your superior experience in such matters.

Obama has been kissing this guy’s backside for 20 years and he is just now finding out what the Rev. is all about.
Lucky for him that he had that time machine, then.
 
I don't like the remarks of Obama's pastor. On the other hand, I don't think Obama should be held responsible for them, 'cos if people had to select a church where they agreed with their pastor about everything, then everyone would have to form their own church.

Explain to me how anything obamas pastor of 20 years said had anything at all to do with GOD, JESUS, or Religion? Be honest, Didin't It sound more like a black separatist meeting?

I speak with feeling: I used to belong to a church where the pastor was a perfect model Christian, and also to the right of me. An excellent man: people referred to our congregation as "Dave's church", and they didn't mean it as a jibe. We used to argue the toss about censorship and the death penalty, but not during his sermons.

Why are politics being discussed at church? Study God, jesus,theological Prinicples, but for crying out loud keep religion out of politics. If a church won't then they should denounce themselves from being a religious organization. Stop the shilling.

Honestly, Godhatesfags Westboro Baptist Church is analogous to Jeremiah Wright's United Church of Christ.
 
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The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation,” Obama wrote that he had known of similar statementsby Wright over the years, which he strongly condemned. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23634881

Explain to me how this is not a contradiction.
Either he knew or he didn't know. His spin
causes a contradiction.


My Conclusion, Whether these comments happended in his persence or not is a non-issue because obama still knew yet choose to stay and still to this day does not repudiate the man.
 
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So who do we want instead?

I don't think that Obama's pastor's political views are an obvious indication of Obama's beliefs. A church isn't about the pastor, really, it's about the community and other members of the congregation. I've seen some other members of his congregation on YouTube, and they seem very nice and quite Christian.

I actually had a pastor at a church that I really didn't like, but stayed because of the friends and community I felt there. Now, I don't know what the situation is in Mr. Obama's case, he seems to hold respect for the man, but I think Mr. Obama's beliefs should come from his mouth (allocating room for political spin, of course).

My guess is the pastor was purposefully over-exaggerating to make a point that this wasn't an unforseeable attack, that there was some purpose behind it on the islamic agenda. I don't agree entirely with this, I think this kind of politics shouldn't appear in Church, and I think it is an over-simplification of the causes behind 9-11. However, I understand the temptation to say this when there are quite a few people that are so overcome with patriotism that they don't question U.S. foreign policy.

Barack can't condemn in public his pastor of 20 years for simply political reasons, that would be a complete loss of his soul in the machine of government (if you think from his perspective). Believe, though, that he's banging his head up against the wall at night for what his wife and pastor are saying, if at least because it's worsening his chances of getting elected.:crowded:
 
btw, explanation of the title, are these political scars any worse than McCain's or Hillary's?
 
That looks like a clear and unambiguous statement. I look forward to the attempts of the whackjob right to spin it so that it isn't.
Thanks for reminding us that right-wing automatically equals "whackjob." What a rational, objective (and telling) statement.


Yeah, but they're not idiots. Until he's elected, he's one of them.
lol - exactly. They aren't about to mess up getting the first black president elected by getting wrapped up in this. They'll work on getting him "more black" later.


The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation,” Obama wrote that he had known of similar statementsby Wright over the years, which he strongly condemned. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23634881

Explain to me how this is not a contradiction. Either he knew or he didn't know. His spin causes a contradiction.

My Conclusion, Whether these comments happended in his persence or not is a non-issue because obama still knew yet choose to stay and still to this day does not repudiate the man.
bravo! :applause: I'd nominate this post if I thought it would get serious consideration.


How could Obama possibly not question Wright's integrity or good will? This isn't some arcane theological point Wright is arguing; he is arguing that America - not Bush, not the current administration, but the country - needs to be cursed for its crimes. How can someone who wants to be the President of the United States not condemn that in the strongest possible terms? How can someone who wants to be the President of the United States associate with such a person for over twenty years? How could someone who wants to be the President of the United States not walk out in disgust on hearing such a sermon, and begin searching for a new church?

There's something jarring that doesn't fit here.
racist. ;)

You have to realize he's now trying to tap dance between having to condemn the right Rev's lunacy for fear of losing a lot of moderate/lukewarm/undecided votes, yet not act or speak out too harshly either, for fear that the hard-core libs and the "brotherhood" will turn against him.

Ultimately this has precious little to do with his beliefs and a great deal to do with playing the political game.

This is a disagreement between two Christians of goodwill,
:boggled: Please point out the "good will" in the right Rev's spewings.

what you seem to be trying to suggest is that Obama should already have denounced his pastor and searched for new churches. I don't agree.
Because.......

PS Obama does agree, as he has done this (albeit in a lukewarm kinda way).

As for the Rev, so lame he's camp, and I'd "lmao" if not for the sad fact that despite how blatantly racist (and therefore hypocritical) and laughably wrong he is, more than a few people - not just blacks, but the ever-brilliant white guilt yahoos as well - will defend and even believe him, just like a lot of blacks defended (or at least were apologists for) Vick - ie because he's black. But that's not racist.

:rolleyes:

Well what the hey, Jeese J and Sharpton (ad nauseum) have gotten away with it for decades; why not him?

Also I love the "being black hurts Obama" bit - yeah, that's why he's a leading candidate (and IMO a shoe-in) for president in the first place. In fact, if he was white, I doubt he'd even be in the running.

As was said earlier, if the black/white thing was all flipped around, most of us well know what the result would be. That reverend AND candidate would all but be labelled "KKK" and their reputations damaged beyond repair. But for Obama, this is little more than a bump in the fender.

Gotta love the "equality."
 
I honestly don't know when Obama's Pastor did enter the presidential race
Next off: one of Bush's bodyguards thinks the US should pull out of Iraq!

Er, seriously, how is this important?
 
I don't like the remarks of Obama's pastor. On the other hand, I don't think Obama should be held responsible for them, 'cos if people had to select a church where they agreed with their pastor about everything, then everyone would have to form their own church.

I speak with feeling: I used to belong to a church where the pastor was a perfect model Christian, and also to the right of me. An excellent man: people referred to our congregation as "Dave's church", and they didn't mean it as a jibe. We used to argue the toss about censorship and the death penalty, but not during his sermons.
I'm waiting for more evidence here to see what the significance of this is.

It's hard to picture Obama as being in on this line of thought. He hasn't said anything that would indicate this line of thinking.

On the other hand, from the sound of things, this was his pastor, his church, and certainly not all churches with predominantly black populations have preachers with that racist and/or conspiratorial of an attitude.

As far as Obama himself goes, I have a hard time buying his denial that he had ever heard this guy's attitude before. That claim of Obama's might just catch up with him if it turns out this guy's sermons were full of this stuff over the years.
 

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