Obama prepares order on guns

The Fool said:
I notice you using the word hate? Is that going to become a chant for gun control issues?
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Not by me. What other reason is there to ban plastic toys? Is there some sort of actual airsoft problem?

Ranb
 
The Fool said:
Yes it's a real shame, they look so cool and playing with them is fun. Not tryin to take the piss. They are masterfull replicas and I have enjoyed many paintball games and would probably like air soft as it seems largely the same.

Downside is that sometimes police shoot children that have them and sometimes they are used for armed robberies but that may not be reason enough for not allowing them where you are. Where I am the downside is considered too much.
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Seems like airsoft and class D firearms got confiscated.

Weren't you saying that anyone in Australia who wanted to keep their firearms was allowed to do so?
 
theprestige said:
Seems like airsoft and class D firearms got confiscated.

Weren't you saying that anyone in Australia who wanted to keep their firearms was allowed to do so?
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Do we want to describe air soft as toys or firearms now or can we just flip flop to suit a claim?

This thread is starting to remind me of those cheap zombie movies where the presumed dead "confiscated" lunges at the camera from out of a closet in the final shot.

Please please please get informed before you kick off another cycle...

No air soft confiscated in Australia. Try chanting that instead.

I have a suggestion. People who are charged with domestic violence can have firearms confiscated how about you guys concentrate on using that to fog up the issue? That could allow a couple more reruns of confiscation chants.

Maybe some bumper stickers too?
 
Ranb said:
Not by me. What other reason is there to ban plastic toys? Is there some sort of actual airsoft problem?

Ranb
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You want me to list more reasons? Does there have to develop a problem before we can decide we don,t want them imported? The suck it and see principle?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Yes!!!!

Something should actually be a problem before stopping people.
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So it's cool to allow tigers as household pets, after all...there is no problem yet eh?

It's ok to allow people to wire their own houses. We will review it if there are deaths and fires..

Why restrict people with complex building codes, let's wait to see if any buildings collapse, we can always stop people if things fall apart.

Lol, libertarian land. The happiest kingdom of them all.
 
The Fool said:
So it's cool to allow tigers as household pets, after all...there is no problem yet eh?

It's ok to allow people to wire their own houses. We will review it if there are deaths and fires..

Why restrict people with complex building codes, let's wait to see if any buildings collapse, we can always stop people if things fall apart.

Lol, libertarian land. The happiest kingdom of them all.
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Actually there was a time when people in the US could do all of those things.
The laws governing them were established when problems did arise.
The difference is that the laws established dealt directly with the problem, not some overly broad, politically correct idea that had not been proven to be effective.
When you can prove that an Australian type NFA would be effective here, you can try and make your case.
Of course, you've got show show how effective it was in Australia first.
 
The Fool said:
Oh dear, you can split the difference between "The only purpose" and "the reason" quite impressive.

To be honest there is only so many times I can explain things so it's probably better you return to attempting to fit the word confiscation as many times as possible in your posts.
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I can spot the difference. One means 'the only possible reason' in that other reasons are not in existence or possible, and the other means 'of the possible reasons, this is the one motivating them'. It doesn't rule out the reason being the only possible reason or the only reason in existence, but it does not in any way even imply that to be the case.

And you haven't made any compelling case against what 'confiscation' means. The number of times I use it in a post is irrelevant. Your belief that it's only the domain of gun nutters to describe confiscation as confiscation might be a handy mental hand wave for yourself, but you'll have to do much better than trying to tar everyone who uses the term correctly with that brush to convince anyone else.
 
The Fool said:
You want me to list more reasons? Does there have to develop a problem before we can decide we don,t want them imported? The suck it and see principle?
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Please do. It sounds like you're suggesting there was never any problem with air soft toys, nor were they imported prior to the legislation that restricted them. Is this true? If so, then why restrict them?

In some cases I would prefer the suck it and see principle than to allow bigots to let their imaginations run wild to protect us from whatever they have a problem with.

Ranb
 
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Ranb said:
Please do. It sounds like you're suggesting there was never any problem with air soft toys, nor were they imported prior to the legislation that restricted them. Is this true? If so, then why restrict them?

In some cases I would prefer the suck it and see principle than to allow bigots to let their imaginations run wild to protect us from whatever they have a problem with.

Ranb
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If you want to import something you need a permit. Applications to import air soft have not been viewed favourably in Australia as I understand the clincher is that they are detailed and accurate firearm replicas.

You can,t privately own paintball guns either, when I played you had to go to licences sites where everything is provided.

Lucky for you there are plenty of bigots to protect you from pet tiger owners.

But anyway..sorry but in Australia we said no to the replicas. We also regularly say no to toys that have choking hazards for small children as we have no set number of children that need to choke to death before we decide not to allow the import. How many would you suggest is a reasonable number.

See that's how it goes..if you enjoy the use of the emotive chanting of words like hate and bigots to promote you particular political views I will resort to the think of the children act in reply.
 
tyr_13 said:
And you haven't made any compelling case against what 'confiscation' means. The number of times I use it in a post is irrelevant. Your belief that it's only the domain of gun nutters to describe confiscation as confiscation might be a handy mental hand wave for yourself, but you'll have to do much better than trying to tar everyone who uses the term correctly with that brush to convince anyone else.
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Sorry I can,t reply in detail as I need to prepare for the annual Australian government car confiscation

Yes, I know I can register the car and keep it if I want to but it's still confiscation. I have personally witnessed authorities confiscating cars...don,t try to deny it.
 
Chuck Guiteau said:
Actually there was a time when people in the US could do all of those things.
The laws governing them were established when problems did arise.
The difference is that the laws established dealt directly with the problem, not some overly broad, politically correct idea that had not been proven to be effective.
When you can prove that an Australian type NFA would be effective here, you can try and make your case.
Of course, you've got show show how effective it was in Australia first.
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Ah yes....there was a time when all these things were OK. Things move on. You may imagine that the US leads the world in all things. They do lead in many but are somewhat behind most of the rest of the world in gun control. Please don,t have another civil war over trying to retain some of your quaint historic laws.
 
The Fool said:
Ah yes....there was a time when all these things were OK. Things move on. You may imagine that the US leads the world in all things. They do lead in many but are somewhat behind most of the rest of the world in gun control. Please don,t have another civil war over trying to retain some of your quaint historic laws.
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Excellent non-answer. I say again:
When you can prove that an Australian type NFA would be effective here, you can try and make your case.
Of course, you've got show show how effective it was in Australia first.
 
The Fool said:
Sorry I can,t reply in detail as I need to prepare for the annual Australian government car confiscation

Yes, I know I can register the car and keep it if I want to but it's still confiscation. I have personally witnessed authorities confiscating cars...don,t try to deny it.
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...what?

So in Australia, if you don't renew the registration on you car, they take the car? Yes, if that is the case, then that is confiscation. If the only alternative is to cut the engine in half, then it's also not a meaningful choice.

If not and like in the US that just means you can't operate it on public roads but you get to keep the car itself, then it's obviously not confiscation.

Low and behold you're dead wrong on the penalty for having an unregistered vehicle.

EDIT: More info on unregistered vehicles. The police may seize the vehicle if they find you driving the vehicle on the road. Again, simply having it unregistered isn't grounds for it to confiscated, but driving it on public roads is grounds for confiscation.
 
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tyr_13 said:
Yeah, my reading comprehension shows that your words don't match Wildcat's.

You: "Because the only purpose of registration is to make it easier for confiscation or banning later on."

Wildcat: "IMHO the reason the Dems don't is because they really want registration for later confiscation once they get enough votes to outlaw whatever guns they declare are inherently evil."

To be more to the point there is a world of difference between 'the only purpose' and 'the reason'.
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Ok sorry it was a bit of a cheap trick but the line you attribute to me is actually a direct quote from wildcat. I,m quite clear on what his position is because it's consistent. Now if you can descern "a world of differences" between his statements on this topic I would put it to you that this is due to inconsistencies forced on you by having to make reality fit your "confiscation" slogan and not due to multiple personality disorder issues with Wilcat.
 
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tyr_13 said:
...what?

So in Australia, if you don't renew the registration on you car, they take the car? Yes, if that is the case, then that is confiscation. If the only alternative is to cut the engine in half, then it's also not a meaningful choice.
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They also shoot your pets.

I would post more but I have to prepare for tomorrow's local government trash confiscation. The truck comes around very early.
 
The Fool said:
Ok sorry it was a bit of a cheap trick but the line you attribute to me is actually a direct quote from wildcat.
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Where?

I,m quite clear on what his position is because it's consistent. Now if you can descern "a world of differences" between his statements on this topic I would put it to you that this is due to inconsistencies forced on you by having to make reality fit your "confiscation" slogan and not due to multiple personality disorder issues with Wilcat.
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This is dishonest. I already explained exactly the difference in another post, a post which you quoted before you wrote this one, so you didn't miss it. You cut out the salient part, but you did see it. In fact, you keep cutting out the parts of my posts that are inconvenient for you to address.

It's also dishonest to call my proper use of the word 'confiscation' to be a slogan. It is yet again trying to tar with the 'gun nut' brush. I've been very clear in explaining, but I am now convinced you're being deliberately obtuse.

The Fool said:
They also shoot your pets.

I would post more but I have to prepare for tomorrow's local government trash confiscation. The truck comes around very early.
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You don't have to give them your trash. What is your problem with the word 'confiscation'? It isn't others trying to make it mean something it does not; it is just you.
 
Dr.Sid said:
You guys sure care a lot about single word.
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I'm honestly baffled that it's such a point of contention, but apparently if you use the word 'confiscation' you're using a 'slogan' made by 'gun nuts'.
 
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