Obama prepares order on guns

[Tero]

Gun shows. Gun shows were a major trafficking channel, involving the second highest number of
trafficked guns per investigation (more than 130), and associated with approximately 26,000
illegally diverted firearms. The investigations involved both licensed and unlicensed sellers at gun
shows.
Straw purchasers. Straw purchasing was the most common channel in trafficking investigations.
Almost half of all the trafficking investigations involved straw purchasers. Therefore, although
the average number of firearms trafficked per straw purchase investigation was relatively small,
37 firearms, there were nearly 26,000 firearms associated with these investigations.
Unlicensed sellers. Unlicensed sellers were a focus of about a fifth of the trafficking investigations,
and involved an average of about 75 guns per investigation and almost 23,000 guns. Unlicensed
sellers range from individuals who knowingly sell guns to criminals from their personal collections
to interstate gun runners buying guns to sell to gangs and drug organizations.
Firearms theft. Firearms theft is an important source of trafficked firearms. Firearms stolen from
FFLs, residences, and common carriers were involved in over a quarter of the trafficking investigations.
Investigations involving firearms stolen from residences and federally licensed firearms
dealers were associated with over 9,000 trafficked firearms. There were a handful of investigations
involving thefts of firearms from common carriers, but such thefts may involve a large
number of firearms. ATF is proposing a regulation that would require FFLs to report guns missing
in shipment.

https://www.atf.gov/file/11876/download

 

[The Fool]

Nearly all from straw purchases. Once the gun leaves the store, we can't track it, not even to the parking lot.

Colorado for example bans registering guns. If the original purchaser is not responsible for the gun or reporting on it ("I lost it") there is no way to track guns.

For the ghetto kid it is just a younger sibling that has no prison record that buys the gun.

So basically the bad guys with guns get sold their guns by the good guys with guns.

 

[Tero]

So basically the bad guys with guns get sold their guns by the good guys with guns.

Sort of, but it's all relative. Kind of like buying a used car.

 

[Chuck Guiteau]

Not my data. Informative memes are there to encourage you to google. 1 crook times 27, 50 000 crooks times 27 is more.

But as you have noted, there is no way to record all. Maybe we need to send in 60 minutes to sample parking lot sales?

Then "almost half" is not "almost all".
You might want to read your sources a little more carefully. The spin sheet you are using as reference does have some interesting peanuts that can be gleaned from the pounds of excrement if you pay attention.
Possibly the most telling is the incredibly poor performance rate of the BATF, something even their best spin doctors could not hide.

 

[Tero]

The straw purchases are something we can control by law and registration. Put a fine for "losing" your gun (where you really just sold it in the parking lot).Theft, gun shows and the general trickle down of legal guns to illegal hands are some things that will never be controlled.

 

[elbe]

Finally. the mission statement!

I don't think that was particularly unclear, was it? I mean when you're arguing from the truism that more guns = more bullet holes it's hard to see how you aren't supporting a reduction in overall firearm numbers.