Obama prepares order on guns

Newtons Bit said:
My dad likes to show off his latest modification he's done to his firearms (he's a hobbyist gunsmith). If it's something like a scope or a collapsible stock, he'll hand it to me so I can see how it works/fits. Will this innocuous behavior become a crime?
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If it takes place between certain family members, at an established shooting range (if kept there at all times), at a competition or performance, then it is okay to let another person handle a firearm without a bkgd check. http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/finaltext_483.pdf
 
Shalamar said:
Don't forget working to eliminate the Democratic party, so only the GOP can be elected into power so there's no chance of anyone taking away your guns!
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Without the Democrats in WA, silencers would still be illegal for the police to use and I would not be allowed to possess a short barreled rifle. The Republicans were unable to get any traction on these gun bills.

Ranb
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
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You mean Iraq, Somolia, Congo, Afghanistan, Columbia, the former Yugoslavia, ... ? :confused:

Lets look at the countries with the highest per capita rates of homicide. Lets look at countries which have so called militias 'protecting' the 'common people'.

Do any of these countries have official gun control? All of them, none of them?

Countries where the government is too weak to control the flow of arms in any way often have problems with random violence.
 
Ranb said:
If it takes place between certain family members, at an established shooting range (if kept there at all times), at a competition or performance, then it is okay to let another person handle a firearm without a bkgd check. http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/initiatives/finaltext_483.pdf
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Read the law carefully.

This Washington law only exempts bona fide gifts between family members legal. I'm still not allowed to temporarily borrow my father's firearm while I'm in his house, such as by picking it up from the safe, placing it in a bag and loading it into his truck before head to the range. That's clearly a "temporary transfer" by the wording of the law and my father would require a background check before asking me to do such an action. There is, however, an exception to the background check requirement for "temporary transfers" between spouses and domestic partners.

It's just another law to trick up lawful gun owners and punish them for engaging in completely normal behavior.
 
Thanks. I suppose you could say "happy birthday" when handing it back and forth then.

Ranb
 
Darwin123 said:
You mean Iraq, Somolia, Congo, Afghanistan, Columbia, the former Yugoslavia, ... ? :confused:

Lets look at the countries with the highest per capita rates of homicide. Lets look at countries which have so called militias 'protecting' the 'common people'.

Do any of these countries have official gun control? All of them, none of them?

Countries where the government is too weak to control the flow of arms in any way often have problems with random violence.
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You do realize that was an Onion article, right?
 
JJM 777 said:
How many does he plan to order?
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Seeing as how he doesn't seem to be a gun enthusiast of any kind, probably none. :)
But President Ranb would be ordering a nice bolt gun in each of the following. 17 fireball, 221 fireball, 5.56, 243, 257 Roberts, 6.8 spc, 7mm mag, 300 blk, 7.62x39/51/54, 30-06, 300 wm, 338 lapua, 458 socom, 416 rigby, 500 whisper, 50 cal M48, 50 bmg, 600/700 nitro, 20mm vulcan, 950 jdj. And that's just the rifles; it's good to be the king.

Ranb
 
Shalamar said:
Concentration camps. Maybe we can make Liberals wears something on their clothing so they're easily identifiable.
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The camps sound good. As for the latter, it's already pretty easy to identify liberals - they're the whiners who are trying to tell everybody else how we should think.

There's one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me.... ;)
 
mgidm86 said:
The camps sound good. As for the latter, it's already pretty easy to identify liberals - they're the whiners who are trying to tell everybody else how we should think.

There's one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me.... ;)
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Sounds an awful like conservatives to me.
 
Back to the topc of the OP, CBS says:

[/Quote]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-to-unveil-executive-actions-on-gun-violence/ :
The president could order a threshold be established such that anyone selling a certain number of guns annually would no longer qualify as a collector but also as someone "in the business" of firearm sales. Those buyers would then be subject to background checks.

Adopting this proposal would not eliminate the so-called "gun show loophole," but gun control advocates argue it would be easier to prosecute offenders if the gun seller law is better defined. [/Quote]

But again, if there is currently a statutory limit to the "gun show loophole", an Ex-O would not fly.

And have we tallied up which states allow that anyhow?
 
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/31/politics/obama-to-announce-new-executive-action-on-guns/index.html
One group, the Michael Bloomberg-helmed Everytown for Gun Safety, has provided recommendations to the White House that include creating a test for assessing who must become licensed to continue selling guns. Factors would include volume and speed of sales, and whether or not the seller relies on advertising to sell guns.

The group also recommended Obama define a gun in a "personal collection" as having been in the seller's possession for at least a year.
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Well, at least he is not trying to re-define something that is already defined by the US Code. Perhaps the BATFE should pay attention the next time they try to tell us that lead core ammo is AP.

Aside from the background check provision, people familiar with Obama's plans say his new gun control announcement will include new funding for government agencies to better enforce existing gun laws.
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Hey, I think hell is going to freeze over. :)

Ranb
 
The transcript of Obama's speech isn't up yet, but listening to it was like watching the StarWars Episode 1 screen crawl text - I kept thinking "whaaaaat? What does this have to do with ANYthing?"

I've posted my proposals for gun violence prevention before, but I'll reiterate:
1) Require training, licensing and insurance for firearms. Document people, not guns.
2) training and licensing are gradiated, such as rim fire, smoothbore, rifle, handgun, with some internal gradation (ie, caliber or muzzle energy) within each category. Concealed carry permits fall into this licensing.
3) the sales counter is the control point. Sales of weapons continue to require background check; ammo purchase would not but does require buyer to have a license with certification for specific ammo class being purchased.
4) no loopholes - reloading supplies are considered components of ammunition and must be purchased by licensed persons. Include "reloading" with training/licensing requirement. Firearm components and parts must be bought and sold in the same manner as complete weapons. No more "80%" receivers.
5) No governmental agency will be involved in issuing licenses or maintaining records. A Non-Governmental Agency such as the NRA could be given the task to keep separation between records and federal agencies.


Not one *********** thing Obama proposed actually does anything.

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6) Accidental shooting, acts of violence or unsecured weapons are cause to revoke a license; child accessing a firearm is an automatic felony for the gun owner.
 
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