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Obama over Perry by 11 points.

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Of Ponzi Schemes and Jobs: Obama Now Leads Rick Perry By 11 Points

According to a new PPP survey, Rick Perry’s Social Security tough talk has hurt him, but Obama’s focus on jobs has given him an 11 point lead, 52%-41% over Perry.

According to PPP, only 20% of those surveyed agree with Perry on Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. Seventy percent of those surveyed disagree. As expected Democrats strongly disagree with this statement, (4%-87%), but Perry is also losing Independents. By a margin of 20%-69%, Independents disagree with the Texas governor’s statements on Social Security.

The GOP’s problem is that Rick Perry polls very well with strongly conservative voters. Perry has a 68% approval rating among those who consider themselves strongly conservative. Perry has a 58% favorable rating with those who voted for John McCain in 2008. His favorability dropped to 44% with people who consider themselves somewhat conservative, and 19% with moderates. Overall, Perry has a 30% favorable rating, and a 50% unfavorable rating.
 
I wonder how much of that is attributable to the in-fighting of the primaries.
 
Alan said:
I wonder how much of that is attributable to the in-fighting of the primaries.
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Virtually all of it.

The eventual Republican candidate in the general election can as safely ignore the staunchly conservative voters as the Democrat candidate can ignore LeftySergeant. Neither would ever consider voting for someone with the wrong paranthesed initial after their name. Unfortunately, no Republican candidate can ignore the "righest of the right" and actualy get to the general campaign.
 
On the other hand this proves that Perry isn't invincible.
 
What is the PPP? The last polls I knew of was one that had the "generic" Republican candidate beating obama handily...and that was before the recent surprise special election results that gave two key races to the Republicans.
 
Travis said:
On the other hand this proves that Perry isn't invincible.
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Yeah, I think his speaking out of both sides of his mouth on SS isn't helping. He tells everyone to get his book "Fed up" but then says it's not a road map to the future but a look back (whatever the hell that means). He could win though.
 
Muldur said:
What is the PPP? The last polls I knew of was one that had the "generic" Republican candidate beating obama handily...
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Which is kind of the joke. A "generic" Republican candidate probably could beat Obama. Unfortunately for the Republicans, the candidates they're offering are far too specific.
 
johnny karate said:
Which is kind of the joke. A "generic" Republican candidate probably could beat Obama. Unfortunately for the Republicans, the candidates they're offering are far too specific.
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Yeah, those kind of poll questions made me wonder why they don't ask, "If Obama faced a ticket of Superman and Batman and the election were today, who would you vote for?"
 
I expect that Obama will win the election, however I expect the US Congress to become a bit more Republican.
 
sarge said:
Virtually all of it.

The eventual Republican candidate in the general election can as safely ignore the staunchly conservative voters as the Democrat candidate can ignore LeftySergeant. Neither would ever consider voting for someone with the wrong paranthesed initial after their name. Unfortunately, no Republican candidate can ignore the "righest of the right" and actualy get to the general campaign.
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Obama seems to have taken a big risk early on, when he decided to ignore virtually all left-wing media, calling them "the professional left" and dismissing their opinions. THAT may haunt him.
 
Wow, I'm actually surprised by these poll results. I would have thought it might have been closer. This just reinforces my view that if the GOP/Tea Party wants to have any serious chance at winning the White House, they have to go with Romney. But the chances of that look pretty slim.

Caveat: even with an Obama-Romney matchup, I am starting to think that Obama would still win, because he seems to have found his voice again and the Democratic base is starting to come home. It's nice to see the President going all FDR on the Republicans - reminds me of some history lessons :)
 
BenBurch said:
Not so sure; I think redistricting will play into the results.
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Redistricting will only affect the House, and I think there's a half-decent chance the Dems could retake the House (since all House seats are up for re-election). The Senate, in my view, is a sure thing for the GOP, but not because everyone is suddenly in love with the Republican party. It's just simple math: the Democrats have to defend twice as many Senate seats as the Republicans, and the margin of error is only 3-4 seats. Against those odds, I'd be amazed if the Dems can hold the Senate in 2012, even if the Republican presidential candidate implodes.

Also, if Perry REALLY implodes in the general election, we may see a reverse coattail effect.
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Well, I think he'd have to eat a live baby during one of the debates in order for that to happen. But, who knows?
 
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I think one of Obama's biggest problems has been ignoring a lot of his far left (vast oversimplification) support.

I am not even that left leaning, and he has continuously disappointed me. I still think he is a sharp thinker, and I am more pleased than troubled by him. But get the **** out there and start throwing some 'bows, Mr. President.

And the problem isn't that the left is going to vote Republican, it's that they aren't going to show up.
 
Mr. Purple said:
I think one of Obama's biggest problems has been ignoring a lot of his far left (vast oversimplification) support.

I am not even that left leaning, and he has continuously disappointed me. I still think he is a sharp thinker, and I am more pleased than troubled by him. But get the **** out there and start throwing some 'bows, Mr. President.
And the problem isn't that the left is going to vote Republican, it's that they aren't going to show up.
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You want to see him throwing elbows? Check this out...



The man's got his mojo back :D
 
MattusMaximus said:
Wow, I'm actually surprised by these poll results. I would have thought it might have been closer. This just reinforces my view that if the GOP/Tea Party wants to have any serious chance at winning the White House, they have to go with Romney. But the chances of that look pretty slim.
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Romney needs some things to break his way in order to win the nomination. He needs there to be a reasonably strong challenger on the right to Perry. Bachmann looked to be that candidate but it seems like the air is going out of her balloon rather quickly. If somebody could keep Perry from winning in Iowa, then Romney could basically win the way McCain did, by rolling in New Hampshire.

Remember, the Republican party tends to go with the candidate perceived as the person whose turn it is. Romney fits that description perfectly, as did McCain in 2008. The electability argument (unmentioned in the OP is that Romney does 7 points better than Perry against Obama) will weigh heavily on Republican voters' minds.
 
Brainster said:
Romney needs some things to break his way in order to win the nomination. He needs there to be a reasonably strong challenger on the right to Perry. Bachmann looked to be that candidate but it seems like the air is going out of her balloon rather quickly. If somebody could keep Perry from winning in Iowa, then Romney could basically win the way McCain did, by rolling in New Hampshire.

Remember, the Republican party tends to go with the candidate perceived as the person whose turn it is. Romney fits that description perfectly, as did McCain in 2008. The electability argument (unmentioned in the OP is that Romney does 7 points better than Perry against Obama) will weigh heavily on Republican voters' minds.
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Tell that to the Tea Party, Brainster. I don't think you'll be happy with the response.
 
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