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Merged Obama Birth Certificate Released

Newtons Bit said:
It's pursuant to statutory restrictions. The law doesn't directly forbid the photocopies, rather the law gives the Director of Health the authority to make rules, which in this case gave the Director of Health to only give out certified copies of digital print-outs.
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Actually, I think the "statutory restrictions" mentioned in that letter didn't pertain to birth certificates in particular, but to personal information of any type. There are other laws on the books that limit what information about an individual can be released by public servants, particularly dealing with things like health information. It seems they adjusted the rules on issuing certified copies of birth certificates in order to avoid running afoul of those other statutory restrictions.
 
Horatius said:
Actually, I think the "statutory restrictions" mentioned in that letter didn't pertain to birth certificates in particular, but to personal information of any type. There are other laws on the books that limit what information about an individual can be released by public servants, particularly dealing with things like health information. It seems they adjusted the rules on issuing certified copies of birth certificates in order to avoid running afoul of those other statutory restrictions.
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So, then how does what Hawaii just did with Obama's long form not run afoul of those other statutory restrictions?
 
ANTPogo said:
So, then how does what Hawaii just did with Obama's long form not run afoul of those other statutory restrictions?
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There's absolutely no laws whatsoever that prevent someone from requesting specific information of any legal document like a birth certificate that they are the principal for and receiving it.

You and others can pretend all you want but you cannot show any laws, statutes or any such thing that back you up whereas State law says up-front they must comply with such requests.
 
Yea, but ironically, that document (the long form one) cannot be used in an official capacity in Hawaii. Had Obama pulled that document prior to 2001 and had it filed, it could be used in an official capacity, but now, it is actually worthless as a birth certificate.
 
Even granting for the sake of argument that your interpretation above is correct, which I do not do, there was no need for the request -- other for political considerations -- as the document the State issued to Obama in 2008 was certified by the state, stated that Obama was born in Hawaii, and is prima facia evidence that what it says is correct. This is a meaningless sideshow, as it has been all along.

Nothing about what Hawaii or Obama did the other day made the document released in 2008 any less certified proof of his birth in Hawaii. Nothing about what they did the other day made the copy of the document released "certified" proof of his birth.
 
randman said:
There's absolutely no laws whatsoever that prevent someone from requesting specific information of any legal document like a birth certificate that they are the principal for and receiving it.

You and others can pretend all you want but you cannot show any laws, statutes or any such thing that back you up whereas State law says up-front they must comply with such requests.
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Then why did the State of Hawaii, starting in May of 2001, refuse to comply with those requests (the fictions of Miki Booth notwithstanding), until Obama wrote personally to the Director of their DOH?
 
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Need I say more? :p
 
ANTPogo said:
Then why did the State of Hawaii, starting in May of 2001, refuse to comply with those requests (the fictions of Miki Booth notwithstanding), until Obama wrote personally to the Director of their DOH?
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First, they didn't. People sometimes needed the long-form for their Homelands program and obtained it, as you've already been shown.

Second, most likely reason they put out that statement is to shill for Obama. Certainly no law or statute required it.
 
PhreePhly said:
Yea, but ironically, that document (the long form one) cannot be used in an official capacity in Hawaii. Had Obama pulled that document prior to 2001 and had it filed, it could be used in an official capacity, but now, it is actually worthless as a birth certificate.
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No, you are incorrect. It can be used in Hawaii. You just don't know what you are talking about.
 
If Hawaii works the same as New Mexico, then that is the case. I have copies of my "long form" birth certificate from New Mexico, but when I aplied for some official paperwork and was required to submit my birth certificate, I was told by the state agency I was dealing with that the document I had was not the accepted version and I needed to pay $45 to get the currently accepted format.
 
randman, do you believe the just-released long-form birth certificate is a fake?
 
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