Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpUwroYiqNg

Georgia ballot.

Judge orders President Obama to appear.
Except he did no such thing. He merely denied a rather poorly written Motion to Quash. Come monday, I wouldn't be surprised if Perkins Coie has an extremely watertight Motion to Quash ready, combined with 100 lines of mr. Jablonski apologising to Judge Malihi for delivering such a poor Motion in the first place.

Mark my words: Outside one of Obamas PR guys thinking it might be a good PR stunt, President Obama will not be appearing at the Georgia hearing on Thursday.

And the Birthers' heads will asplode. Especially Orlana who have invested a fair bit of time and money on this hearing.
 
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for those that doubt the racial basis to this, the following is posted on the website of one of the plaintiffs in Georgia:

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that particular flag only existed from 1956 to 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Georgia_(U.S._state)
 
for those that doubt the racial basis to this, the following is posted on the website of one of the plaintiffs in Georgia

I suspect racism is the psychological underpinning of the whole "birtherism" nonsense. Interesting Clinton (and to a lesser extent Bush) were accused of wanting to institute a NWO (which is at least a political CT) but not so much Obama. Most of the nuttery about him concentrates on an "out of Africa" or "crypto-Muslim" focus.
 
I suspect racism is the psychological underpinning of the whole "birtherism" nonsense. Interesting Clinton (and to a lesser extent Bush) were accused of wanting to institute a NWO (which is at least a political CT) but not so much Obama. Most of the nuttery about him concentrates on an "out of Africa" or "crypto-Muslim" focus.

...and the socialist and communist focus too
 
A Communist-Socialist-Nazi-Fascist-Athiest-Muslim! (who has been to Mars!)

Its a classic horror movie from the 50's called Godless Nazis from the Red Planet. Most modern audiences don't find it quite as terrifying as the only thing that happens in the movie is a black man becomes President.
 
I realize it's early on Monday, but is anyone aware if a new Motion to Quash has been filed with the court that is worded better than the first?
 
Nothing mentioned on the Fogbow yet, although we did get a 200+ pages whopper of a Amicus brief, courtesy of Leo Donofrio. Leo must be pleased that he's not involved in this trial, as the judge has asked that parties limit themselves to 25 pages at most.

Elsewhere, it is noted that Obama will spend the 26th in Las Vegas and Denver, before heading to Detroit for the evening.

Edit: Just for laughs, here's a zinger from the brief:
Additionally, the English common law term, “natural-born subject”, being a uniquely spiritual designation, was only granted to members of the Christian faith,and cannot govern the definition of “natural born Citizen”, because such a construction would be repugnant to the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution.
 
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IIRC Orly has a bit of a mad at the Article 2 SuperPAC, since it's diverting money away from her PayPal. And you do not mess with Orly's PayPal! And I can't honestly remember if Orly is a De Vattelite like the SuperPAC, or if she's against it since it could be used to dismiss her preferred candidates. Y'know, the WASP's (or in Romneys case, WASLDS).

At least they might be providing a Live stream of tomorrows hearing, though I'm not sure if the recent change of venue means that won't be possible-
 
And on the eve of the Trial of the Millenium(tm), mr. Jablonski delivers a bombshell: He is suspending his and his clients involvement in this hearing, as there is nothing further to discuss or debate. The relief being sought by the plaintiffs are clearly outside the scope of the ALJ, nor can the GA Sec of State remove Obama from the PPP ballot - ballots that have already been printed and are being used for absentee voting.

Hon. Brian P. Kemp

Georgia Secretary of State

214 State Capitol
Atlanta, Georgia 30334

via email to Vincent R. Russo Jr., Esq.


Re: Georgia Presidential Preference Primary Hearings

Dear Secretary Kemp:

This is to advise you of serious problems that have developed in the conduct of the hearings pending before the Office of State Administrative Hearings. At issue in these hearings are challenges that allege that President Obama is not eligible to hold or run for re-election to his office, on the now wholly discredited theory that he does not meet the citizenship requirements. As you know, such allegations have been the subject of numerous judicial proceedings around the country, all of which have concluded that they were baseless and, in some instances – including in the State of Georgia - that those bringing the challenges have engaged in sanctionable abuse of our legal process.

Nonetheless, the Administrative Law Judge has exercised no control whatsoever over this proceeding, and it threatens to degenerate into a pure forum for political posturing to the detriment of the reputation of the State and your Office. Rather than bring this matter to a rapid conclusion, the ALJ has insisted on agreeing to a day of hearings, and on the full participation of the President in his capacity as a candidate. Only last week, he denied a Motion to Quash a subpoena he approved on the request of plaintiff’s counsel for the personal appearance of the President at the hearing, now scheduled for January 26.

For these reasons, and as discussed briefly below, you should bring an end to this baseless, costly and unproductive hearing by withdrawing the original hearing request as improvidently issued.

It is well established that there is no legitimate issue here—a conclusion validated time and again by courts around the country. The State of Hawaii produced official records documenting birth there; the President made documents available to the general public by placing them on his website. “Under the United States Constitution, a public record of a state is required to be given ‘full faith and credit’ by all other states in the country. Even if a state were to require its election officials for the first time ever to receive a ‘birth certificate’ as a requirement for a federal candidate’s ballot placement, a document certified by another state, such as a ‘short form’ birth certificate, or the certified long form, would be required to be accepted by all states under the ‘full faith and credit’ clause of the United States Constitution.” Maskell, “Qualifications for President and the “Natural Born” Citizenship Eligibility Requirement,” Congressional Research Service (November 14, 2011), p.41.

Nonetheless, the ALJ has decided, for whatever reason, to lend assistance through his office—and by extension, yours—to the political and legally groundless tactics of the plaintiffs. One of the attorneys for the plaintiffs has downloaded form subpoenas which she tried to serve around the country. Plaintiff’s attorney sent subpoenas seeking to force attendance by an office machine salesman in Seattle; seeking to force the United States Attorney to bring an unnamed “Custodian of Records Department of Homeland Security” to attend the hearing with immunization records; and asking the same U.S. Attorney to bring the same records allegedly possessed by “Custodian of Records of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.” She served subpoenas attempting to compel the production of documents and the attendance of Susan Daniels and John Daniels, both apparently out of state witnesses, regarding Social Security records. She is seeking to compel the Director of Health for the State of Hawaii to bring to Atlanta the “original typewritten 1961 birth certificate #10641 for Barack Obama, II, issued 08.08.1961 by Dr. David Sinclair…,” even though Hawaii courts had dismissed with prejudice the last attempt to force release of confidential records on November 9, 2011. Taitz v. Fuddy, CA No. 11-1-1731-08 RAN.

In Rhodes v. McDonald, 670 F. Supp. 2d 1363, 1365 (USDC MD GA, 2009), Judge Clay Land wrote this of plaintiff’s attorney:

When a lawyer files complaints and motions without a reasonable basis for believing that they are supported by existing law or a modification or extension of existing law, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer uses the courts as a platform for political agenda disconnected from any legitimate legal cause of action, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law….

As a national leader in the so-called ‘birther movement,’ Plaintiff’s counsel has attempted to use litigation to provide the ‘legal foundation’ for her political agenda. She seeks to use the Court’s power to compel discovery in her efforts force the President to produce a ‘birth certificate’ that is satisfactory to herself and her followers.” 670 F. Supp. 2d at 1366.

All issues were presented to your hearing officer—the clear-cut decision to be on the merits, and the flagrantly unethical and unprofessional conduct of counsel—and he has allowed the plaintiffs’ counsel to run amok. He has not even addressed these issues—choosing to ignore them. Perhaps he is aware that there is no credible response; perhaps he appreciates that the very demand made of his office—that it address constitutional issues—is by law not within its authority. See, for example, Flint River Mills v. Henry, 234 Ga. 385, 216 S.E.2d 895 (1975); Ga. Comp. R. & Regs. r. 616-1-2-.22(3).

The Secretary of State should withdraw the hearing request as being improvidently issued. A referring agency may withdraw the request at any time. Ga. Comp. R. & Regs. r. 616-1-2-.17(1). Indeed, regardless of the collapse of proceedings before the ALJ, the original hearing request was defective as a matter of law. Terry v. Handel, 08cv158774S (Superior Court Fulton County, 2008), appeal dismissed, No. S09D0284 (Ga. Supreme Court), reconsideration denied, No. S09A1373. (“The Secretary of State of Georgia is not given any authority that is discretionary nor any that is mandatory to refuse to allow someone to be listed as a candidate for President by a political party because she believes that the candidate might not be qualified.”) Similarly, no law gives the Secretary of State authority to determine the qualifications of someone named by a political party to be on the Presidential Preference Primary ballot. Your duty is determined by the statutory requirement that the Executive Committee of a political party name presidential preference primary candidates. O.C.G.A. § 21-2-193. Consequently, the attempt to hold hearings on qualifications which you may not enforce is ultra vires.

We await your taking the requested action, and as we do so, we will, of course, suspend further participation in these proceedings, including the hearing scheduled for January 26.

Very truly yours,

MICHAEL JABLONSKI
Georgia State Bar Number 385850
Attorney for President Barack Obama

Should be fun watching. If you're anywhere near GA, you may want to find some hearing protection, as the screeches will reach epic proportions.
 
.. and as it turned out, the GA Sec of State fired back, warning Jablonski that removing his participation from the hearing, would be at his own peril. So it's definantly on.
 
Well todays little birther clown circus in Georgia is now over.

Apparently the when Orly was tryin to sum up, the judge asked her if she was arguing or testifying, so she hoped into the witness stand to give testimony.
 
Oh, and the best part?

The first lawyer up, the first thing he did was to enter both the downloaded COLB and Long Form Birth Certificate from the White House into evidence.

Talk about an "own goal!"
 
Apparently it's even worse. Take this with a grain of salt as it is from a birther site

Dean Haskins on the Scene at Hearing

As we are trying to get a quick lunch, and then do some interviews, this is just a very brief synopsis of what happened today. Before the hearing started, the judge called the attorneys into his chambers and explained that he was going to enter a default judgment in their favor. Attorneys Hatfield and Irion requested to be able to present abbreviated versions of their arguments so that they would be on the record. At that point, Irion estimated he would need 20 minutes, Hatfield estimated he would need 30 minutes, and Taitz estimated she would need 2 hours.

Van Irion and Mark Hatfield made their arguments, and left. Taitz then presented her argument, calling several witnesses, until the judge asked her to make her closing statement. As her closing statement began, the judge asked if she was testifying, and, in an unconventional move, Taitz took the witness stand to testify. The judge finally asked her just to make her closing statement, which she did.

We believe that the default judgment automatically translates into the judge's recommendation to the Sec. Of State being that Obama should not appear on the ballot in Georgia.

So what did Hatfield and Irions do? They entered into evidence the very documents that disproved their case!

D'oooh


Judge Malihi is in a total bind now. I guess he didn't understand the depths of stupidity and insanity among birthers. Now he owns it.
 
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We believe that the default judgment automatically translates into the judge's recommendation to the Sec. Of State being that Obama should not appear on the ballot in Georgia.
Even if this is correct, does this apply to just the primary, the general election, or both?
 
Even if this is correct, does this apply to just the primary, the general election, or both?

just the primary and they have already started the absentee voting - with Obama's name on the ballot.

it's nothing more than political theater.
 
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