Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[Horatius]

Actually, Obama can't do that in the first place. he can't make Hawaii violate it's own privacy laws.

Well, yes, that was sort of my point - he'd either be barred from releasing the unedited fiche, or it would be so redacted as to be useless for the intended purpose.

 

[tsig]

Well, yes, that was sort of my point - he'd either be barred from releasing the unedited fiche, or it would be so redacted as to be useless for the intended purpose.

Of course, The birthers would just claim it was fake and demand a photo of the actual birth with a sign saying "Hawaii" in the background.

 

[Horatius]

Of course, The birthers would just claim it was fake and demand a photo of the actual birth with a sign saying "Hawaii" in the background.

...and video of the nurse draping a lei around his neck as he arrives.[/Stereotypes]

 

[uk_dave]

...and video of the nurse draping a lei around his neck as he arrives.[/Stereotypes]

Still not good enough. It would have to take place on a surf board to the accompaniment of a ukulele band.

 

[TSR]

Still not good enough. It would have to take place on a surf board to the accompaniment of a ukulele band.

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Well, that would explain why the opposition assumed Obama had tiny bubbles until he started picking off terrorists.

But my current obsession, speaking of picking off: where would I go on the forums to discuss the new Beretta Nano? There's a conspiracy by my spouse to prevent me from getting one, so ... a new thread here?
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[Gord_in_Toronto]

Can I say that I'm glad we Canadians don't get this sort of nonsense?

We bitch, we complain about our governments if they don't do exactly what we think we'd do (hell, I think it beats out hockey as the national sport), but at the end of it we let 'em get on with the job we've voted them in to do.

 

[Arus808]

Orly in stunning (wait...not really) move, to ONE UP Corsi and Arpaio, decides to file a Writ of Mandamus in her 9th circuit court case - Barnett/Keyes v Obama ..

this case was on appeal to the 9th circuit, so I don't WTF she is doing as in regards for having the 9th force Hawaii State Court to do anything, that has nothing to do with the case.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/71512539/...eview-Taitz-Writ-of-Mandamus-9th-Circuit-51-0

“appellants respectfully request immediate transportation of the 1961 log of Birth records of the state of Hawaii, containing the document in question, as well as 1961 microfiche film containing a copy of such scanned record, to secure and fire resistant facility offsite, such as Schofield Barracks or Hickam AFB until further inspection and expert examination of above documents can be performed.”

Arpaio earlier this week, made the claim that his posse is wanting to have the original Microfiche film (if it exists...who says it does?).

funny how 2 days later, Orly is demanding it in one of her open cases. Oh, and she's asking for the "book" that the April 27, 2011 COLB was copied from as well (nevermind the 100 other COLB's that may be in the book of living persons and their privacy)

Oh and ORLY, the base is not called Hickam Air Force base. Changed it's last year with a merge with the Naval station next door, but only the locals and those military who lived in Hawaii for more than 30 years, call it Hickam AFB. It's called Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam now.

 

[Robrob]

appellants respectfully request immediate transportation of the 1961 log of Birth records of the state of Hawaii, containing the document in question, as well as 1961 microfiche film containing a copy of such scanned record,to secure and fire resistant facility offsite, such as Schofield Barracks or Hickam AFB

Why? Presumably they are already contained in a secure and fire resistant facility - the County Courthouse.

 

[KDLarsen]

Orly in stunning (wait...not really) move, to ONE UP Corsi and Arpaio, decides to file a Writ of Mandamus in her 9th circuit court case - Barnett/Keyes v Obama ..

Of course she also decided to spice up the filing by bringing in the Linda Jordan affidavit, y'know, the one that she was told was not legal in any way, shape, or form, by a previous judge

Is it too much to ask, to have a judge throw the book at her? Not only has she yet to properly redact the Presidents SSN in any of her filings, now she's completely ignoring a Judges advice on not using "evidence" that was obtained in a fraudelent and illegal manner.

 

[Horatius]

Why? Presumably they are already contained in a secure and fire resistant facility - the County Courthouse.

Because this way, we have to transport the documents from one facility to the other, via an obviously less secure than either of them method, which gives us an excuse to ignore any findings contrary to the Birther position - because, can you prove the documents weren't switched in transit?

Yes, that's right, I'm predicting they'll claim we switched out one set of fakes, which could be proven to be fakes, with another set of fakes, which couldn't be proven to be fakes. Makes as much sense as all their other claims!

 

[Robrob]

Yes, that's right, I'm predicting they'll claim we switched out one set of fakes, which could be proven to be fakes, with another set of fakes, which couldn't be proven to be fakes. Makes as much sense as all their other claims!

I 100% agree with you.

 

[BenBurch]

So, what ever happened with that insane dentist? What was her name? Oily Tats?

 

[Arus808]

Speaking of ORLY...woo whee, the smackdown by the US team on the ditz is one to be cheered

http://www.scribd.com/doc/71994656/BARNETT-KEYES-v-OBAMA-APPEAL-9th-CIRCUIT-52-1-TransportRoom-52-1

Intro is awesome

Appellees, by and through their undersigned counsel, hereby set forth their Opposition to Appellants’ “Emergency Petition for Writ of Mandamus.” As demonstrated infra, the Petitioners have no standing herein, this case presents nonjusticiable political questions, the person against whom mandamus is sought is not a party, and the grounds set forth in Appellants’ moving papers are factually false and legally frivolous.

Choice quotes:


the caught her lying to the Court in Hawaii and made note of it:

The aforesaid false statements were also proferred by counsel for Appellantin the case of Taitz v. Fuddy, et al., Civil No. 11-1-1731 (Cir. Ct. of the FirstCircuit, State of Hawaii). In a hearing held in that case on October 12, 2011, Ms.Taitz represented to the Hawaiian Court that she needed an Order from it requiringthe defendant to produce the original long-form birth certificate because counselfor President Obama had argued before this Court that the case was moot by virtueof the fact that the President had released his birth certificate. (See transcript inTaitz v. Fuddy, Appendix 2 infra at Pg. 22, ll 13-20, and Pg. 23, ll 8-17

Pointed out her $20K sanction for filing frivolous and baseless cases

Similar misconduct by this very counsel in, inter alia, proferring alleged
facts which were not true, resulted in a $20,000 sanction entered against her by the
United States District Court for the Middle District of Geogia. See Rhodes v.
McDonald, 670 F.Supp. 2d 1363 (M.D. Georgia 2009).

and what is Orly the nitrous queen's answer? The court should ignore the US reply because she filed the wrong thing, and wants to refile another one.

orlytaitzesq.com/?p=27345 (purposefully broke the link so that one may not be subjected to her malware/trojan/virus infest site. Please make sure you have the appropriate protection before attempting to visit)



ETA: GYAH THIS LADY IS A NIGHTMARE!!!

Instead of doing what the court suggested:

To correct this error, do the following ASAP but not later than Monday, November 07, 2011, 5 PM PST: 1. In ECF, choose Motions/ Responses/ Replies > File a Motion. On the next screen, choose "motion tfor miscellaneous" as the relief click "Apply." In the description box, you will be able to enter exactly what you are filing. 2. Reply to this email ([email protected]) to let us know you filed the motion so that we can notify the clerk and delete entry #52 from the docket.

She filed this:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/72045789/...IT-53-Filed-ECF-Appellants-TransportRoom-53-0

11/07/2011 53 Filed (ECF) Appellants Capt. Pamela Barnett, Richard Norton Bauerbach, Capt. Robin D. Biron, Col. John D. Blair, Mr. David L. Bosley, Ms. Loretta G. Bosley, Capt. Harry G. Butler, Rep. Glenn Casada, Jennifer Leah Clark, Timothy Comerford, Charles Crusemire, Thomas S. Davidson, Rep. Cynthia Davis, Matthew Michael Edwards, Lt. Jason Freese, Mr. Kurt C. Fuqua, Officer Clint Grimes, Julliett Ireland, D. Andrew Johnson, Israel D. Jones, Timothy Jones, Alan Keyes, Ph. D., David Fullmer LaRoque, Gail Lightfoot, Lita M. Lott, Major David Grant Mosby, Steven Kay Neuenschwander, Frank Niceley, Robert Lee Perry, Col. Harry Riley, Sgt. Jeffrey Wayne Rosner, Capt. David Smithey, John Bruce Steidel, Douglas Earl Stoeppelwerth, Rep. Eric Swafford, Capt. Neil B. Turner, Richard E. Venable, Jeff Graham Winthrope and Mark Wriggle in 10-55084, - Timothy Jones and Alan Keyes, Ph. D. in 09-56827 reply to response (, ). Date of service: 11/07/2011. [7957708] [10-55084, 09-56827] (OT)

11/08/2011 54 Filed (ECF) Appellants Capt. Pamela Barnett, Richard Norton Bauerbach, Capt. Robin D. Biron, Col. John D. Blair, Mr. David L. Bosley, Ms. Loretta G. Bosley, Capt. Harry G. Butler, Rep. Glenn Casada, Jennifer Leah Clark, Timothy Comerford, Charles Crusemire, Thomas S. Davidson, Rep. Cynthia Davis, Matthew Michael Edwards, Lt. Jason Freese, Mr. Kurt C. Fuqua, Officer Clint Grimes, Julliett Ireland, D. Andrew Johnson, Israel D. Jones, Timothy Jones, Alan Keyes, Ph. D., David Fullmer LaRoque, Gail Lightfoot, Lita M. Lott, Major David Grant Mosby, Steven Kay Neuenschwander, Frank Niceley, Robert Lee Perry, Col. Harry Riley, Sgt. Jeffrey Wayne Rosner, Capt. David Smithey, John Bruce Steidel, Douglas Earl Stoeppelwerth, Rep. Eric Swafford, Capt. Neil B. Turner, Richard E. Venable, Jeff Graham Winthrope and Mark Wriggle in 10-55084 Urgent Motion for miscellaneous relief [Petition for Writ of Mandamus]. Date of service: 11/08/2011. [7957742] [10-55084, 09-56827] (OT)

she wants the judge in Barnett to order a judge in Hawaii to do what she wants (and the two cases have nothing to do with each other):

Appellants are also seeking a Writ of Mandamus to Magistrate Judge of the U.S. District Court for the District of HI, Judge Richard Puglisi, to reopen the hearing on the Motion to Compel inspection of the above mentioned long form birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama, II in Taitz v Astrue 1:11-cv-00519-SOM-RLP. (Exhibit 13)

And again shows her "brilliance" on Hawaii law

Such third party witness is a custodian of record requested and has a ministerial duty of allowing inspection of the original document in light of the alleged certified copy released by the Appellee in order to influence this court, while this alleged copy is suspected to be a forgery based on expert affidavits. Final determination can only be made after the inspection of the original document in question. Hawai'I Unified Information Practices Act, codified as 92F HRS as well as Hawaii Title 8, §91-10 (2) clearly warrant such Writ and Compliance with the Writ. "Documentary evidence may be received in the form of copies or excerpts, if the original is not readily available; provided that upon request parties shall be given an opportunity to compare the copy with the original." HRS §91-10(2). (emphasis added).

 

[Arus808]

can the GOVERNMENT and the JUDGE please just claim that Orly is a frivolous filing litigant and penalize here more than the $20K already? She ain't going to stop!


Orly says on her malware infested site that she has filed her second Emergency Petition for Writ of Mandamus (not going to link, I'll update once it's on scribd)


But, the US team jumps to oppose such filing:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/72097944/...UIT-55-Filed-ECF-Appellees-TransportRoom-55-0

At the outset, Appellees incorporate by reference, as though set forth in full herein, their Opposition to Appellants’ “Emergency Petition for Writ of
Mandamus,” filed with this Court on November 7, 2011.

...
The fundamental premise underlying Appellants’ arguments in their Petitions is that this case cannot be decided absent their examination of President Obama’s birth certificate.Nothing could be further from the truth. This Court can, and should, decide this case on the grounds set forth in Appellees’ Answering Brief, filed herein on October 13, 2010, and the oral arguments made by Appellees’ counsel, neither of which concerned the authenticity of President Obama’s birth certificate.

 

[CptColumbo]

Still not good enough. It would have to take place on a surf board to the accompaniment of a ukulele band.

You'd probably also need Don Ho in the shot.

 

[Horatius]

You'd probably also need Don Ho in the shot.

I don't know. Can you prove that Don Ho is a natural born US citizen?

 

[CptColumbo]

I don't know. Can you prove that Don Ho is a natural born US citizen?

If Orly ever claimed that Don Ho wasn't Hawaiian, she would probably never be able to safely go to Hawaii again.

 

[Horatius]

If Orly ever claimed that Don Ho wasn't Hawaiian, she would probably never be able to safely go to Hawaii again.

So you admit he's this "Hawaiian" thing? And not a naturally born US citizen?

Ha! Gotcha! Obama is toast now!

 

[tsig]

So you admit he's this "Hawaiian" thing? And not a naturally born US citizen?

Ha! Gotcha! Obama is toast now!

Hawaii was probably never admitted to the Union legally so Obama's not a citizen no matter what.

 

[NotJesus]

Hawaii was probably never admitted to the Union legally so Obama's not a citizen no matter what.

You've got a point. Surely, the Founding Fathers never intended anyone born on some crazy Pacific island to be president.