Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Travis said:
He seems to think Obama's parents had the foresight to fake the location of his birth four decades in advance.......so sure. Sparkly birth certificates.
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Just get Stephanie Meyer involved.
 
Horatius said:
Almost exactly two years on, and despite all that's happened, such as releasing the damn birth certificate, you still don't accept it, and you're still posting youtube videos.

Give it up already.
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He can't. To do so would be to admit that he wasted all that time in his life where he could have been doing something productive and real.
 
boyntonstu said:
Why did the State of Hawaii spend a majority of 700 attorney hours to prevent Orley Taitz from glimpsing the original of a publicly released document?
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:rolleyes: They didn't. Birthers (the 20 odd or so ones that continue to harass the Hawaii Department of Health) have wasted 700 hours of total man power to field questions posed to them by birthers, and also all the legal cases (5 of them) brought to the Hawaii Courts ( Taitz v Fuddy, Keyes v Linda Lingle, Hamrick v Fukino, Justice v Fuddy). 90 of those hours were spent on dealing with Taitz legal actions.

and Taitz can't view anyone's private documents since she is prevented to do so by LAW

The case is not over. The suit if Federal Court is still alive.
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Actually no there are only 6 cases still pending. 5 of which have only been filed and not seen, reviewed or ruled by the courts yet:
Connerat v. Obama
Craig v. Oklahoma
Strunk v. NY State Board of Elections
Taitz v Astrue (this is the ongoing FOIA request in DC, where Taitz is trying to seek viewing of Obama's SSN application - also prevented by law) - this is the case in which the Taitz v Fuddy case in Hawaii spun off of.
Taitz v. Ruemmler ( a spin off of the FOIA case against the SSA)

1 is only in the appeals court:
Barnett Keyes et al v Obama et al (Taitz is the attorney on this one along with Gary Kreep).


There are no cases on the Supreme Court level.


How many more million$ of taxpayer money will be wasted on this stupid little case?
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Don't know, but you only have birthers to blame for chasing idiotic conspiracy theories based on the speculation of one commenter at Free Republic.com
 
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Arus808 said:
Actually no there are only 6 cases still pending. 5 of which have only been filed and not seen, reviewed or ruled by the courts yet:
Connerat v. Obama
Craig v. Oklahoma
Strunk v. NY State Board of Elections
Taitz v Astrue (this is the ongoing FOIA request in DC, where Taitz is trying to seek viewing of Obama's SSN application - also prevented by law) - this is the case in which the Taitz v Fuddy case in Hawaii spun off of.
Taitz v. Ruemmler ( a spin off of the FOIA case against the SSA)

1 is only in the appeals court:
Barnett Keyes et al v Obama et al (Taitz is the attorney on this one along with Gary Kreep).
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and another one bites the dust:

Taitz v Astrue (Motion for Reconsideration - the court had already dismissed the case in this, and the Nitrous Addled one, filed an MTR) :

http://www.scribd.com/doc/69179304/...-Reconsideration-gov-uscourts-dcd-146770-39-0

DENIED!

Love this smackdown:

Plaintiff also argues that the Court erred in declining to consider as evidence her allegation that she used the Selective Service System’s online registration verification service to confirm the President’s use of the Social Security number xxx-xx-4425. Even if true, this evidence would not undermine the President’s privacy interest in the Form SS-5, and does nothing to “warrant a belief by a reasonable person that the alleged government impropriety,”namely the President’s purportedly fraudulent use of the number, “might have occurred.” Nat’l Archives and Records Admin. v. Favish, 541 U.S. 157, 174 (2004).1 Similarly, plaintiff submits an affidavit that an individual used the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services’ E-Verify Self Check system, which returned an error message showing an unexplained discrepancy between the President and the Social Security number at issue. Apparently, plaintiff is arguing that, if one online database confirms the President’s use of the number, and another database shows some mismatch between the President and this number, the President must be engaging in fraud. This constitutes nothing more than an unsubstantiated “bare suspicion” of wrongdoing.2 Id. Finally, plaintiff tries to submit as new evidence newspaper reports regarding the allegedly illegal use, by two relatives of the President, of other Social Security numbers. The Court will not give credence to plaintiff’s attempt to impugn the President with the alleged misconduct of others.



1The Court is loath to dignify plaintiff’s allegations of fraud with a response on the merits. However, suffice it to say that plaintiff’s argument is premised on the incorrect assumption that Social Security numbers assigned prior to 1973 have any correlation to the recipient’s residence, see Employer Filing Instructions and Information, http://www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/stateweb.htm (“Prior to 1973, social security numbers were assigned by ourfield offices. The [first three] number merely established that his/her card was issued by one of our offices in that State.”). Plaintiff’s entire premise is totally defeated by a cursory examination of this site, which demonstrates that plaintiff’s allegations lack any basis in fact. ****

2Furthermore, the Court notes that individuals may only use the E-Verify Self Check service to check their ownemployment eligibility, and that to do so an individual must answer a series of private questions before gainingaccess to the system.
See Self Check : Terms of Use, https://selfcheck.uscis.gov/SelfCheckUI
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Love how the court took notice of the illegally used E-verify check system and caught Orly in submitting that "evidence".

so that makes its 5 pending cases. Orly did announce that she would file a case against Hilary Clinton, if Hilary doesn't force the SSA to provide her with the SS5 application (so a possible 6th case up and coming)




**** Obama's SSN was actually issued in 1977, but the reasoning still applies. Hawaii may not have had local SS offices yet, and still relied on the central offices to issue numbers.



ETA: now we scratch off Taitz v Ruemmler

http://www.scribd.com/doc/69179843/...Motion-to-Dismiss-Gov-uscourts-dcd-149529-6-0


So, currently none of Taitz' cases have gone forward. The two rulings above, negates her hearing scheduled for November in Hawaii Supreme Court (that was the Taitz v Fuddy case).
 
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Will this debate still be going on even (supposing) if Obama failed to secure a second term? What if he's elected (and I don't see how he would be able to) a second term?

And what good is this debate? Chances are Obama's certifieds (including his birth records) where checked, double checked and triple checked when he was running for president. It would be easy to believe that Obama somehow found a way to forge his birth records, it would require the co-operation of a lot of different people who's livelihoods would be ruined if 'the truth' was ever revealed.

Not something someone would willing to gamble on, especially with the long odds of it staying secret. No, the simplest answer is that the birther debate is dead. And while I still think that Obama isn't fit to be POTUS, it is not because some hair-brained conspiracy theory.
 
Arus808 said:
Orly did announce that she would file a case against Hilary Clinton, if Hilary doesn't force the SSA to provide her with the SS5 application
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:eye-poppi Seriously?

Wouldn't the "logical" (and I use the word loosely) step after that be filing a case against Obama for not forcing Clinton to force the SSA to provide her with the SS5?
 
Mudcat said:
Will this debate still be going on even (supposing) if Obama failed to secure a second term? What if he's elected (and I don't see how he would be able to) a second term?.
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See: Moonlanding hoax. This delusion wont be cured by his absence. The likes of Orly Tates MAY be satiated but i see many (on the fringe) still promoting the conspiracy. And given the competition i can certainly see Obama being re-elected.
 
Juniversal said:
See: Moonlanding hoax. This delusion wont be cured by his absence.
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In fact, it will probably be incorporated into other delusions, like the anti-taxers. They'll argue that any taxes enacted during his administration are illegal, since he wasn't eligible to be President in the first place.

You could make similar arguments for any actions taken by anyone appointed by the administration as well. Given sufficient time, you could eventually argue that the entire structure of the US government is illegitimate, as the authority of the government would ultimately rest on an illegitimate President.
 
BTW, did you know that Vice-President William King was given the oath of office in a foreign country and 20 days late?

I was just reading about pre-Civil War Presidents and read that Franklin Pierce is the only President to have the same Cabinet for his entire administration, but his VP William King died 45 days into the term.
 
CptColumbo said:
I was just reading about pre-Civil War Presidents and read that Franklin Pierce is the only President to have the same Cabinet for his entire administration, but his VP William King died 45 days into the term.
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4 + 5 = 9
Number of letters in "William King" (excluding the space) = 11

:eye-poppi



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CptColumbo said:
BTW, did you know that Vice-President William King was given the oath of office in a foreign country and 20 days late?

I was just reading about pre-Civil War Presidents and read that Franklin Pierce is the only President to have the same Cabinet for his entire administration, but his VP William King died 45 days into the term.
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He took the oath of office in CUBA!! :jaw-dropp
 
I'm surprised Perry hasn't suggested that Romney is an anchor baby, I mean given that his father was born in Mexico.
 
Obama has all kinds of Terrorist Leaders killed and this is still going on. :mad:


Paul


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