Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[Juniversal]

Well don't hurt yourself hiding in you

Huh? I got the first part (don't hurt yourself) but not the second (hiding in you?). What does that mean??

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Sure, Hawaii can call anything they publish a "certified copy" but that doesn't really make it one.

That's retarded. If Hawaii can't define what constitutes a certified copy of their own records, then who can? The federal government; the public; you?

 

[Juniversal]

One thing bothers me; I have never seen a photocopy or a scan of a non-white document that had the cover of the machine the exact color of the document.

Every document that I have seen; copied or scanned, had white around the edges.

Why are the green security marks outside the borders of the Obama document?

To address this, I believe the BC was scanned, the scanned image was then transferred and printed onto a piece of security paper and then that paper with the scanned image was stamped and the image was converted into a PDF file.

The reason the background drops out in the PDF is likely related to the software compression technique separating what it sees as text and what it see's as background material into separate layers.

 

[randman]

video of a woman requesting her original, long-form birth certificate just last yr

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/some-tropical-truth/

The State has not been truthful in this matter.

 

[Bob001]

... If Hawaii can't define what constitutes a certified copy of their own records, then who can?...

This is the text of the rubber stamp at the bottom of the long-form bc:

"I certify this is a true copy or
abstract of the record on file in
the Hawaii State Department of Health.
(signed) Alvin T. Onaka, Ph. D.
State Registrar"

So a senior official swears "this paper says the same thing as the paper in my office." Just curious, what else could it need to be properly called certified?

 

[Juniversal]

video of a woman requesting her original, long-form birth certificate just last yr

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/some-tropical-truth/

The State has not been truthful in this matter.

Did you even bother to look at the website you linked? Did you miss this text;


SPECIAL NEW UPDATE: , while it is NOT the long form birth certificate that the woman in this video is ordering, it supports the content of this video.

Keep digging that hole randman...keep digging that hole.

 

[A'isha]

video of a woman requesting her original, long-form birth certificate just last yr

No, it's not. First of all, we don't know what she was requesting. She never says the word "long form". She does say that whatever she wants is not the same as a "Certificate of Live Birth", because she already has one of those. Now take a look at any Hawaii "long form", from the one President Obama released to the Miki Booth-provided one you posted a picture of in the other thread.

See what it says at the top of all those "long form" copies, randman? The name of the "long form" document? "Certificate of Live Birth".

If she says she already has a Certificate of Live Birth, and wants something different, and the "long form" is a Certificate of Live Birth, why do you (and the blogger you linked to) think she's asking for a "long form" certificate? We certainly never get to see the form she ends up getting from her request, nor can we hear what the clerk is telling her.

 

[catsmate]

People have obtained certified copies of long-form birth certificates as recently as a month ago. If the Dept says they don't do that now, it has nothing to do with the law.

Like so much of the rubbish you post this is a lie.You've been shown this isn't true yet you continue to repeat the lie. Why is this?

And you are just flat out wrong about the law in 1961. A resident could bring a baby in, say he was born there, and register the birth.

Again, a lie.

So randman, what's your reason for hating Obama? Being a Democrat? Being black?

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

Like so much of the rubbish you post this is a lie.You've been shown this isn't true yet you continue to repeat the lie. Why is this?


Again, a lie.

So randman, what's your reason for hating Obama? Being a Democrat? Being black?

I think conspiracy nuts think if they repeat a lie enough times it will become the truth.

 

[A'isha]

I think conspiracy nuts think if they repeat a lie enough times it will become the truth.

So, what's the tally for randman now? A creationist, a truther, and a birther?

Did I leave anything out?

 

[CptColumbo]

You know, now that you mention it, I don't think we ever saw Clinton's birth certificate, either. Maybe you're onto something.

Actually, you won't find one for the former President that says William Jefferson Clinton.


His name at birth was William Jefferson Blythe III.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I think conspiracy nuts think if they repeat a lie enough times it will become the truth.

It's already Truth™ as far they're concerned. The repetition is merely for our "benefit". Like brainwashing.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Here's a crazy theory: wouldn't a much easier and completely undetectable method of forgery be just getting a blank form and writing whatever you want on it?

This has been my take for about a year. Those wonderful folk in Langley can create documents that could get you through to see the Pope, the inner sanctums of the Kremlin/Politburo, a box seat next to the Chinese Premier at the Beijing Opera, or into the sooper sekret Room 12* at Area 51.

Yet, for some reason, they're not able to produce a document that can get by Alex Jones and Michaelsuede.


*Redacted. Memo 33-A129 says we're not to mention Room 12.

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

So, what's the tally for randman now? A creationist, a truther, and a birther?

Did I leave anything out?

My point is conspiracy zealots all have the same approach to their respective conspiracy (Be them Truthers, Birthers, moon landing hoaxers, etc)

They draw a conclusion without evidence(that 9/11 was an inside job, Obama's birth certificate was fake, JFK was killed in a conspiracy, the moon landing never happened), They think the fact there is no evidence of a conspiracy is somehow proof OF a conspiracy.Birthers are no different. The absense of evidence is not evidence.
they ignore anything that contradicts their conspiracy theories, and rather rely on rumor, lies and gossip as 'evidence' to support their claims.

 

[Ausmerican]

So, what's the tally for randman now? A creationist, a truther, and a birther?

Did I leave anything out?

A couple of things. But I think I would be at least suspended if I said them.

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

I wonder if there are any conspiracy zealots who who buy into every tinfoil hat conspiracy out there.
At what point does mental illness enter the conspiracy equation? Some of the conspiracies are quite funny- I am quite amused by the conspiracy that the Titanic never sank, or the one that the Titanic was deliberatly sunk by the Jesuits, and not an iceberg

 

[Foolmewunz]

I wonder if there are any conspiracy zealots who who buy into every tinfoil hat conspiracy out there.
At what point does mental illness enter the conspiracy equation? Some of the conspiracies are quite funny- I am quite amused by the conspiracy that the Titanic never sank, or the one that the Titanic was deliberatly sunk by the Jesuits, and not an iceberg

There are numerous people who buy into everything out there. Just go over to ATS and read through it. The same people wise to the Apollo Hoax are hip to Chemtrails and Bilderburg and Operation Northwoods and 911 and FEMA Deathcamps.

As a positive note(for which I have no proof), I think this will remove the fringe supporters - gullible morons - who really only had that one remaining question, "Then why won't he produce it? Just doesn't seem right, somehow?" I personally believe that a lot of people will just give up the ghost and it'll move off of their personal radar screens. The diehards, like the ATS conspiradroids? Never. The agenda-driven (like BAC)? Never.

 

[BeAChooser]

There are numerous people who buy into everything out there. Just go over to ATS and read through it. The same people wise to the Apollo Hoax are hip to Chemtrails and Bilderburg and Operation Northwoods and 911 and FEMA Deathcamps.

... snip ... I personally believe that a lot of people will just give up the ghost and it'll move off of their personal radar screens. The diehards, like the ATS conspiradroids? Never. The agenda-driven (like BAC)? Never.

Excuse me. Are you trying to lump me in with people who believe in the Apollo Hoax, Chemtrails, Bilderburg, Operation Northwoods, 911 or FEMA Deathcamp conspiracies? When have I EVER expressed ANY support for such nonsense, on ANY forum I have ever posted on? Just because I disagreed with the assertion that Hawaii wasn't violating the law when it decided not to issue long form birth certificates, and just because I feel Obama did a disservice to the country letting this current issue go unresolved for so long that upwards of 40% of the populace began to doubt his citizenship, doesn't give you the right to lump me in with them in an attempt to label me a kook. Just because you don't believe Clinton raped anyone doesn't make me a kook. Yes, I do believe in some things you dismiss out of hand. But unlike those conspiracies you just listed, when my assertions are debated it is the other side who runs from the facts. Over and over. As the threads on those topics clearly prove ... over and over.

 

[Unabogie]

Very true, BAC! You're very selective with your CTs and save them only for lies about Democrats.

 

[Upchurch]

Excuse me. Are you trying to lump me in with people who believe in the Apollo Hoax, Chemtrails, Bilderburg, Operation Northwoods, 911 or FEMA Deathcamp conspiracies? When have I EVER expressed ANY support for such nonsense, on ANY forum I have ever posted on?

Two words: Vince Foster.