Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[Anders Lindman]

So... reckon it was done by aliens? Lizard-people? Don't be shy - what's your guess?

What I wonder is if the background pattern is supposed to be original, or if they copied the original to a paper with that background pattern. But if they copied the original, why is it so curved on the left side?

 

[abaddon]

Oh! Here is an image from that thread: http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e7f8b71993f4.png

The document is curved on the left side, yet the background is flat! Zoom in on the picture and measure the background pattern repetitions. They are equally sized even where the document is supposed to be curved. Looks suspicious at least.

What the hell is your point? The original doc is smaller that the platten on which it was scanned. This is common.

 

[Darat]

If this was about the birth certificate it would have been over long ago. The lunatic fringe just won't let go, however.

This.

 

[332nd]

Why do birthers hate adopted people?

My bc was issued about 6 weeks after my birth.

My biological mother isn't listed at all on it. (albeit there is paperwork mentioning her)

My biological father is nowhere to be seen.

My bc was good enough to get me in the army & get top secret clearance.

It was good enough to allow me to teach.

But if birthers had their way, it wouldn't be good enough for me to run for president.

 

[Chaos]

Is there any form of woo you don't believe in?

Only those forms of woo that allow a black man to be President...

 

[fullflavormenthol]

Why do birthers hate adopted people?

My bc was issued about 6 weeks after my birth.

My biological mother isn't listed at all on it. (albeit there is paperwork mentioning her)

My biological father is nowhere to be seen.

My bc was good enough to get me in the army & get top secret clearance.

It was good enough to allow me to teach.

But if birthers had their way, it wouldn't be good enough for me to run for president.

Dude. I was born in Louisiana, and I have a "long form" and it still doesn't have all the information that the birthers want it to. Actually my birth state has legislation going through that would effectively render my COLB worthless for running for office there and they issued it.

Like I have written before. If the Presidents name were Barracus O'Bama and his dad was from Ireland none of this would have ever been an issue. There is something beneath the surface beyond just him being a Democrat that is motivating many of these people, but we dare not say it.

 

[Zep]

What I wonder is if the background pattern is supposed to be original, or if they copied the original to a paper with that background pattern. But if they copied the original, why is it so curved on the left side?

It''s a security pattern over a plain copy from a page in a register book opened and placed face-down on a flatbed scanner. Is that so hard to deduce?

What the hell is your point? The original doc is smaller that the platten on which it was scanned. This is common.

Indeed.

 

[mike3]

It doesn't. I guess what my point was is that many people pirate the software without having the training or basic knowledge in file formats or how those formats handle things. I think it comes from my experience with Ghost Hunter groups at my undergrad university who would make rookie mistakes with photography and call the results "interesting". When I tried to correct them they had no clue what I was talking about because they lacked the basic knowledge to start with. Same thing here. I am not going to say that I never pirated some software in my younger college days, but I will say that I had some training. I will also say that if one is going to learn software, especially computer graphics software, that tutorials alone are not sufficient to actually understand the underlining concepts and function of such software. Not every artist must be a computer expert, but a foundational knowledge in the function of file formats and how a specific program interacts with those formats is necessary.

So does that mean that unless you've got a lot of $$$$$$ to be able to afford the formal training, it's impossible to get enough understanding of the software?

Sure. There are two basic types of image formats when you break things down. Raster (bitmap for example) and vector (like Illustrator). Raster is a pixel format, which means the image file is a set number of pixels from the start. If you expand a raster file (like a jpeg or bitmap) it becomes all pixelated the larger it gets. What you are seeing is the fact that the file is a set number of pixels, and those squares are limited at the time of the files creation. Vector on the other hand is line art, which means that theoretically one could expand the view of the file and never see any deterioration in the quality of the image. Now if you take a PDF scan and run it into a vector program like Adobe Illustrator it will attempt to translate most of the file into vector art...or to put it this way it will translate the image into lines even without your permission. This is because Illustrator assumes these liberties because the start file is a native PDF format (it will ask if a jpeg or other native raster format). The result is that the file will be rendered into a series of image groups, which one can select below the layer 1 tab and manipulate. Hence because of the way Adobe Illustrator handles a PDF a person can select text and move it around. The white section of the scan is basically just the artifacts that are left over when a person scans an image into a computer. The fact is that it takes a high quality scan (higher than most personal scanners) or a high quality SLR digital camera to be able to effectively capture the date. Although the end result of such a capture would always be left with pixelization because of the way in which computers capture data. Beyond vector art, which really isn't able to be used to capture live images now, we still work with pixels. Programs like Illustrator attempt to compensate for this when they can, but the end result will always be an imperfect capture of the image.

The honest truth is that even if I were to expand Star Wars: Ep II to 500x I would find pixelization on the parts filmed with a digital movie camera. The technology will always have limitations.

So the white pixels around the black lettering is to be expected in a scan of a document into a standard scanner. The scanner works by shinning light in the surface of the document, and it will always leave artifacts. This is another level the birther "experts" are picking up on, but they are expecting near perfect results from an imperfect format.

Hehe, that part of the post where I quoted you was supposed to be a challenge for the OP! Sorry if there was confusion.

But thanks for the additional information, anyway.

 

[mike3]

Dude. I was born in Louisiana, and I have a "long form" and it still doesn't have all the information that the birthers want it to. Actually my birth state has legislation going through that would effectively render my COLB worthless for running for office there and they issued it.

Like I have written before. If the Presidents name were Barracus O'Bama and his dad was from Ireland none of this would have ever been an issue. There is something beneath the surface beyond just him being a Democrat that is motivating many of these people, but we dare not say it.

And I take it, beyond the details of his politics as well?

 

[drewid]

Post #4 has it right.

Meanwhile
www.theonion.com afterbirthers-demand-to-see-obamas-placenta /

 

[therival58]

I just have 2 technical questions.

1.) whats the deal with race being labelled as "African"? Wouldn't a proper term back in the early 60's have been "black" or "negroid"?

I heard parents can choose their own race of choice if the options they have aren't suitable. So for instance, Obama's father being from Kenya wanted to distinguish himself from American blacks so he chose African. Is that correct?

2.) Shouldnt the COLB have an embossed seal on the front, like these two??

 

[Anders Lindman]

What the hell is your point? The original doc is smaller that the platten on which it was scanned. This is common.

So you are saying that the patterned background is not from the original. Ok, fine, but why was then the original scanned with a curved left side? Don't they have flatbed scanners?

 

[Anders Lindman]

It''s a security pattern over a plain copy from a page in a register book opened and placed face-down on a flatbed scanner. Is that so hard to deduce?

Oh. I thought is was a separate paper.

 

[therival58]

Oh. I thought is was a separate paper.

my impression was that it was from a bound volume of BC entries or something of the sort.

 

[Anders Lindman]

my impression was that it was from a bound volume of BC entries or something of the sort.

I don't live in the U.S. so I don't know how those papers are stored. But it seems strange that a birth certificate like that can't be detached from the binder or what it's called in English.

 

[cwalner]

The official long form birth certificate from the White House website is a forgery.

http://www.fascistsoup.com/2011/04/...ficate-proven-to-be-fake-hours-after-release/

And how many previous posts, in this thread alone, predicted this is and stated therefore that this is the very reason that Obama shouldn't release his long form, even if he could get it?

 

[ComfySlippers]

I don't live in the U.S. so I don't know how those papers are stored. But it seems strange that a birth certificate like that can't be detached from the binder or what it's called in English.

Stop seeing strange in everything. You are tiresome.

 

[Joey McGee]

Stop seeing strange in everything. You are tiresome.

It's more of a biological pattern than a conscious action.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Stop seeing strange in everything. You are tiresome.

On this forum I go into conspiracy theory mode.

 

[mike3]

Still willing to parade your ignorance of how graphics software works, I see.

I'm curious. Since it seems he may have the software, is it possible to disable the layer generation, so that he could be directed to that feature to investigate it for himself and see that it is indeed an artifact of the software? I haven't used it before, so I don't know whether or not that is possible.