Obama Assassination Attempt Foiled

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You seem to fancy splitting hairs when it comes to the ruthlessness of the Social Democrats.

The rest of the Hitler quote goes:

***.."I achieved an equal understanding of the importance of physical terror towards the individual and the masses...Terror at the place of employment... in the factory, in the meeting hall, and on the occasion of mass demonstrations will always be successful unless opposed by equal terror.

The Social Democrats command weaklings in both mid and force. They know how to create the illusion that this is the only way of preserving the peace, and at the same time, stealthily, but steadily, they conquer one positon after another , sometimes by silent blackmail, sometimes by actual theft. "..***
A.H. Mein Kampf (p. 148-9)

A degree of coercive force and manipulation was part and parcel of any Weimar era political entity. Nevertheless, Hitler is exaggerating here, as he tended to do. The SDP certainly never employed the kind of terror campaigns and wholesale political suppression that the NSDAP did. Not even close.
 
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Crikey, this is forum heaven.
We have neo-nazis, skinheads, accusations of Republicans being Nazis, presidential assassination, the first black US president, the N word, quotes from Mein Kampf, and Oliver.. all in the same thread.
No wonder it's gone to 7 pages in about 3 hours.
 
This is done by the Democrats. It is a brilliant maneuver. It is exactly like painting the word "******" over an Obama sign. The Dems and the White Rose have done many times. It makes whites with a guilty complex feel bad for Obama and vote for him.

What is the Ben Burch? Some kind of criminal organization? It sounds kinda scary.

Oh, and I guess there's really no point in asking you to back up your insane allegations, is there?
 
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What is the Ben Burch? Some kind of criminal organization? It sounds kinda scary.

Oh, and I guess there's really no point in asking you to back up your insane allegations, is there?

Ben Burch apparently is the head of the White Rose Society which is "Fighting the Rise of the New Fascism". Neer heard of them myself. Apparently they hand out leaflets like the original White Rose society did in Nazi Germany. The post, spelling and grammar dont seem much like the Painters usual stuff. Perhaps he has been drinking? He hasn't followed it up.
 
Hitler speaks of his admiration for the Social Democrats in Mein Kampf. He marveled at their tactics when he watched them in action in Vienna.

***.."From Social Democracy, I learned the value of intimidation and intolerance. The psyche of the great masses are not receptive to anything that is half hearted and weak."..***A.H.
Ian Kershaw "Hitler 1889-1936 Hubris"

This sounds alot like that sham argument from creationists that evolution must be wrong since Hitler alledgedly was inspired by Darwin. :rolleyes:
 
You seem to fancy splitting hairs when it comes to the ruthlessness of the Social Democrats.

The rest of the Hitler quote goes:

***.."I achieved an equal understanding of the importance of physical terror towards the individual and the masses...Terror at the place of employment... in the factory, in the meeting hall, and on the occasion of mass demonstrations will always be successful unless opposed by equal terror.

The Social Democrats command weaklings in both mid and force. They know how to create the illusion that this is the only way of preserving the peace, and at the same time, stealthily, but steadily, they conquer one positon after another , sometimes by silent blackmail, sometimes by actual theft. "..***
A.H. Mein Kampf (p. 148-9)

So, you base your opinion of Social Democracy on Hitler's opinion and that alone? Strange bedfellows you choose...

You might also look at the preceding paragraph in Kershaw:

"Internationalism [...], equality of individuals and peoples, universal, equal, and direct suffrage, fundamental labour and union rights, separation of church and state, and a people's army were what the Social Democrats stood for. It was little wonder that the young Hitler [...] hated the Social Democrats with every fibre of their body. But what did impress him was their organization and activism. In autumn 1905, just before Hitler went to Vienna, it had been Social Democratic agitation that had influenced Franz Joseph to agree [...] to universal male suffrage. The demonstration of approaching a quarter of a million workers in red armbands that followed in Vienna in late November took four hours to march past the Parliament building. A similar spectacle some years later was to leave a lasting impression on Hitler, as he stood for nearly two hours, gazing at 'the endless columns of a mass demonstration of Viennese workers that took place one day as they marched past four abreast', [...] It struck him as a 'menacing army', and his reaction, as he made his way home, was one of 'oppressed anxiety'.​
Where do you see the "ruthlessness"? I see a mass movement that claims its share of political influence.

Kershaw has more to Hitler's stories about threats from Social Democrats:
His own version in Mein Kampf of the emergence of this hatred tells the story - as we have already suggested, almost certainly fictional - of the victimization and personal threats he allegedly experienced [...] at the hands of Social Democrat workers [...] Yet none of those who later recounted anecdotes of Hitler at the time refers to it.​
With this verdict on Hitler's "testimony", I ask you again: why do you base your own opinion of Social Democracy on Hitler's?
 
On the contrary, I think many Americans may see the seriousness of this moment, and see voting for Obama as a sign of strength and perseverance. I know I will.

Go Bama!!!!

Roll Tide!
 
A degree of coercive force and manipulation was part and parcel of any Weimar era political entity. Nevertheless, Hitler is exaggerating here, as he tended to do. The SDP certainly never employed the kind of terror campaigns and wholesale political suppression that the NSDAP did. Not even close.

Hitler's view about Social Democracy goes back to his Vienna years and before. And of course he is exaggerating. Neither the Austrian Social Democrats nor the German SPD did anything of the kind in an institutionalized form. They organized workers, organized strikes for better wages and better hours, they organized demonstrations. The SPD organized general strike of 1920 which quelled the anti-democratic Kapp Putsch.

For the credibility of Hitler's statements, see my previous post. I find it highly disturbing that someone would take Hitler's statements on this at face value.
 
I know. I think its a sign of exactly how insane someone is when it puts you and I in the same position relative to them.

Either that or Cicero is the proverbial broken clock and has now been right twice as expected.
 
This isn't a Democrat - Republican issue. I don't think the skin heads would have any qualms about doing the same thing if Obama was a Republican.
 
With this verdict on Hitler's "testimony", I ask you again: why do you base your own opinion of Social Democracy on Hitler's?
He has no opinion on social democracy, he's just a rabble-rouser.
 
This isn't a Democrat - Republican issue. I don't think the skin heads would have any qualms about doing the same thing if Obama was a Republican.

We will see if that is true, when the REPs have an African American as their nominee. Until then, one can speculate. I suspect, that when the REPs have such a nominee, you will be right.

TAM:)
 
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