Nuke the damn oil leak!!

[Lurker]

I think lefty is Rahm in a sock.

No, I can comprehend Rahm.

 

[KingMerv00]

Rubbish. Ptomaine Tony knows damend well that the dispersant is carcinogenic and toxic. But he does not want the public to know this. That is why his dirtbag security people are running around harrassing reporters who want to take pictures of the operation.

And if you want to make an issue of my stepping outside my area of expertise, save it for the blubbering little executive twit. Tomaine Tony won my undying ewnmity when he made his brain-dead remarks that the distress the workers were experiencing resembled food poisoning and then made the dumb-as-box-of-rocks comment that it is a common occurance among military units in the field. MEGA BULL FLOPS.

A military field mess operation may be safer than some fast-food joints. I know this as a mess sergeant. As a mess sergeant, I also know the symptoms of food poisoning. As a fire fighter, I know the symptoms of respiratory distress due to inhalation of volitile petroleum distillates.

Apparently Ptomaine Tony either does not know that difference, or is such a petty, rotten, nasty, worthless little drongo that he should never chair another meeting of a non-cannibalistic group of people again for the rest of his sub-human existance. He is never again to be trusted with a project which could go so terribly wrong for people who are not even vested in his crime family.

Lefty, why are you ignoring me?

 

[geni]

If not a true nuclear weapon, perhaps some sort of adaptation would work. Massive amounts of heat caused by a thermonuclear device that is highly modified might be something to think about.

Do you know what happens if you generate massive amounts of heat in a very short time period in a small area?

Also I am not so sure you are correct. My memory of nuclear tests shows the debris going up, not out.

Check this vid about 8 seconds in:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Damage_and_Destruction_of_nuclear_tests.ogg

However thats later. Nuclear explosions start off basicaly spherical:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tumbler_Snapper_rope_tricks.jpg

This means you get explosive force going in all dirrections. There are some rumors of shaped charge nuclear weapons but no one appears to have ever tested one and it's hard to see how they could work. The lack of compressibility of water would in any case massively reduce the effectiveness of such a device.

 

[leftysergeant]

Lefty, why are you ignoring me?

Because you haven't posted anything stupid.

The point is that we do not know how much oil is in the reservoir, so we had best just leave it there. I have heard that a quart of motor oil will poison about 100000 gallons of sea water. It takes less crude than that. Add Coprexit and you have some serious pollution.

 

[KingMerv00]

The point is that we do not know how much oil is in the reservoir, so we had best just leave it there. I have heard that a quart of motor oil will poison about 100000 gallons of sea water. It takes less crude than that. Add Coprexit and you have some serious pollution.

You made the specific claim that the oil in the well was sufficient to wipe out all life on Earth. What evidence did you use to reach that conclusion?

 

[quadraginta]

Because you haven't posted anything stupid.

The point is that we do not know how much oil is in the reservoir, so we had best just leave it there. I have heard that a quart of motor oil will poison about 100000 gallons of sea water. It takes less crude than that. Add Coprexit and you have some serious pollution.

I'm kinda curious just how poisonous you've "heard" that is. Those proportions are similar to a couple of shot glasses worth dumped into a swimming pool.

Do you have any idea how much oil a two-cycle outboard motor lets loose in the water? Maybe you're on the wrong crusade.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

That's one reason why dispersants are used. It moves the oil off the surface.


Well damn, Lefty. You don't want it on the top and you don't want it on the bottom. Hell, if I could wave my magic wand and make it disappear, you know I would. But there it is and we have to do the best things we can to keep it from doing the least damage as possible.

But note that there are no major coral reefs until you get to the south part of Florida. It's not there yet. Maybe it won't get there, or by the time it does, it will be widely dispersed. We all hope for that.

However, note that the well is in deep water. If dispersants are used to sink the oil to the bottom, then the bottom at that point is far far below the point where coral reefs can grow (which is only within a few feet of the surface). In fact, most planktonic life (including larval fish, crabs, shrimp etc.) is near the surface. So you ought to be hoping the dispersants work if you want the least possible damage.

Well, within a 300 foot deep zone is where most ocean life, particularly vegetation, and reefs are at. I think the big problem with the dispersants is that they're not totally sinking the oil to bottom in some cases allowing it to still get into areas where the water is shallower.

Either way, the spills' not good anyway you put it. This is one of those spills where the effects will linger for months, if not potentially years :\

 

[Thunder]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/us/03nuke.html

US govt. officially says "NO" to the nuclear option.

 

[leftysergeant]

There are unconfirmed reports of oil leaking through the sea floor at other spots around the well. The well casing may itself be broken in one or several spots underground and feeding into fissures in the rock which might just open up and release even more oil after a blast. That would be unstoppable.

The cost of the worst case scenario with the current poor containment that takes years to complete is a little better than the cost of the worst-case scenario of a nuke, which would be the end of all ocean life.

 

[quadraginta]

There are unconfirmed reports of oil leaking through the sea floor at other spots around the well. The well casing may itself be broken in one or several spots underground and feeding into fissures in the rock which might just open up and release even more oil after a blast. That would be unstoppable.

The cost of the worst case scenario with the current poor containment that takes years to complete is a little better than the cost of the worst-case scenario of a nuke, which would be the end of all ocean life.

I thought that was the current worst case scenario.

 

[leftysergeant]

I thought that was the current worst case scenario.

There still is that chance, but there is progress being made. There are too many unknowns about a nuke that could make it worse, especially if there are more leaks below the surface.

 

[BeAChooser]

Didn't see this posted. You folks might find it interesting:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=370_1276817335 "Archive Footage Of A Soviet Nuke Plugging A Leaking Gas Well"

 

[leftysergeant]

No comparison. There are reports of cracks leaking oil too. If you open those, with a broken well casing, you might make things worse. Pay attention.