Nugent for president!

[Kodiak]

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Like Kid Rock, Aretha Franklin, Eminem and Iggy Pop (Do you realize that in that list Kid Rock is the most normal of the bunch?). We do produce some odd "artists" around here.

You forgot Selma Blair and James Earl Jones, and two more weirdos - Madonna and Jack White.

 

[Charlie Monoxide]

About 5 years back (probably earlier), I bought a PC hunting simulation called "Ted Nugent Hunter" or something like that. The game itself wasn't bad relative to the time period. There would be an occasional Quicktime of Ted spouting some inane poetry or giving you advice. It was truly awful and seemed all "one takes".

Charlie (he ain't no Red Fisher) Monoxide

 

[uruk]

Which is all well and good but man did come along and now there is a problem. In California it is illegal to hunt bear after a fixed limit. The bear become over populated and suffer from starvation. Tax money is used to pay wardens to cull the population and none of these Bear are used as food when we could charge hunters to do the job quite nicely.

we seem to want an equilibrium with wildlife but we are constantly upsetting that equilibrium against wildlife. We want wildlife to flourish except where it become inconvieniant to us. The bear' population fluorishes but it's habitat keeps shrinking so that it cannot support the increasing numbers. Starvation is one of the methods used by nature to cull the heards on it own in addition to predation. But we find it inhumane to allow starvation. Also starvation also forces the bears into the communities to find food, which also causes a problem. The quick fix is to shoot them.

Don't you see a hypocritical problem here?

 

[uruk]

And yes, I think it better to put a slug into a bear than let it starve to death. No morality there just an opinion.

How about relocation?

 

[uruk]

That kind of sounds like a moral bent to me.

yep, your right. That is a moral bent. It could be that I don't like hunting because I don't have the stomach for it.

Wherever man lives he produces huge amounts of deer food from farms to gardens to lawns. Man, in the way he prefers to live, has eliminated two of natures checks on the herd: food and predators.

So then what does that tell us?

Well, I guess Ted Nugent is right then. It's our responsibility to maintain the herd. No more complaining about hunting from me.

 

[DaChew]

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Madonna

Hush! If people are reminded that she's from here they might try to send her back here.

 

[RandFan]

we seem to want an equilibrium with wildlife but we are constantly upsetting that equilibrium against wildlife. We want wildlife to flourish except where it become inconvieniant to us. The bear' population fluorishes but it's habitat keeps shrinking so that it cannot support the increasing numbers. Starvation is one of the methods used by nature to cull the heards on it own in addition to predation. But we find it inhumane to allow starvation. Also starvation also forces the bears into the communities to find food, which also causes a problem. The quick fix is to shoot them.

Don't you see a hypocritical problem here?

I said that the problem is not the bear but the fault of Humans. Did you not read my post? Pointing fingers is hardly a solution is it? I would not mind it at all if we did something to curb Humans encroaching into wildlife habitat but what does this have to do with the real problems we have right now?

That being said what is the solution? Let them kill humans? And starvation is a lousy way to resolve the problem. Why do you think that is preferable? It is natural but "natural" doesn't make something right.

I think hunting is quite appropriate. You are entitled to think otherwise but you have not offered a single argument as to why we should let the bears starve to death.

 

[RandFan]

How about relocation?

It is not possible to relocate an ever increasing number of bears. Each year hundreds must be culled. Where are you going to put all of those bears? This is not realistic.

 

[uruk]

It is not possible to relocate an ever increasing number of bears. Each year hundreds must be culled. Where are you going to put all of those bears? This is not realistic.

Send 'em here.:
http://www.wwf-uk.org/news/n_0000000182.asp

I think hunting is quite appropriate. You are entitled to think otherwise but you have not offered a single argument as to why we should let the bears starve to death.

I've already admited an error in my thinking concerning hunting.
I don't like hunting for purely personal reasons. Man's encrouchment into wildlife habitat has made it a necessity.

 

[DaChew]

Well, I guess Ted Nugent is right then. It's our responsibility to maintain the herd. No more complaining about hunting from me.

Cool, let me know if you need any recipes.

 

[uruk]

And starvation is a lousy way to resolve the problem. Why do you think that is preferable? It is natural but "natural" doesn't make something right.

Well if a bear starves to death, doesn't it become food for others?

And that would be "right" by what standard? That would be "our" standard, right? "Natural" means the way nature is. Of course that could also mean that our encrouchment and displacement of wildlife is just part of the natural process.

 

[uruk]

Cool, let me know if you need any recipes.

I'll let you know as soon as I go out and kill me somthin'.

 

[crimresearch]

Hunting probably does act as a force of nature to thin herds that would otherwise go thorugh cycles of starvation and disease.

I don't care to go out in the woods during hunting season because most places I've lived, no hunting trip is complete without the previous day's stop at the liquor store.

Oh well, at least they are cleaning up the gene pool while blasting away at Bambi and each other.

 

[Ladyhawk]

Wait a minute... Who the hell is Dennis Coffey?

Goin' back aways, DaChew. Coffey (if memory serves) had an instrumental, funky kinda hit called "Scorpio" back in the....uh...70's?

The crowd had recognized a person far more worthy of notice than the two internationally known and ranked Olympic figure skaters - Mo Cheese. The fat guy that dances the Curly Shuffle in the stands during breaks in playuote]

(Sigh).....I miss the Wings!!!!

Anyway...back to the topic at hand...

I don't have a problem with hunting or hunters. But, having partaked in deer hunting many moons ago, I did have a problem with 'violators' who refused to observe good sportsmanship rules (i.e. not shooting at a deer if it was trying to drink, using only certain gauge or LR rifles in certain areas, not 'shining' at night, etc.)

I don't hunt anymore...haven't in a long time. I still have a gun in the house though; primarily for protection and I believe I should be able to keep that gun for that reason. I don't, however, think anyone needs an assault rifle for protection or hunting. I don't have a problem with a ban on those types of weapons.

 

[Ladyhawk]

That being said what is the solution? Let them kill humans? And starvation is a lousy way to resolve the problem. Why do you think that is preferable? It is natural but "natural" doesn't make something right.

I think hunting is quite appropriate. You are entitled to think otherwise but you have not offered a single argument as to why we should let the bears starve to death.

I've seen some well meaning folks set out food and salt blocks during winter (non hunting) months so that the poor deer and other animals won't starve. Problem is, their numbers increase beyond estimate and, next thing you know, twice as many permits are issued in an attempt to control the population when hunting season opens. Crazy, eh?

Plus, I don't know how it is where each of you live, but the last few winters haven't been that severe around here lately. Hence, more wildlife is probably surviving rather than starving off ....same vicious circle.

Hunting, combined with 'natural forces' is all we have to control overpopulation. Although, I'll grant you that overpopulation has a different definition than 50 years ago, given the urban sprawl of recent years.

 

[RandFan]

I've never actually seen her before. Now I wish I hadn't.

No, don't uncross your legs! No, don't....no,no.....that ain't right......(barf)

She is actually not bad looking.

 

[SlippyToad]

Ted Nugent isnt a hippy. In fact, hes anti-hippy.

I think the word you're looking for is "poser." And he's a poser of the most pathetic kind -- posing as someone dangerous. In the '70's, long-haired rock types were perceived as the next great threat to the social order, so he pretended to be one. In the modern era, gun-wielding chowderheads are perceived as dangerous, so he's hanging out with them . But the ease with which he sheds his skin indicates that whenever he finds that pose inconvenient, he will move on to something even more ridiculous.

 

[Ladyhawk]

Well if a bear starves to death, doesn't it become food for others?

And that would be "right" by what standard?

Which is exactly why we should fight to protect the right to arm bears!

This PSA brought to you by your friendly, neighborhood Ladyhawk .