Nugent for president!

[RandFan]

I don't trust him with a gun after watching several of his interviews and watching a few clips from his short-lived TV special Surviving Nugent. This guy is plain nuts!!

I like Ted, I just think he is a nutcase. I don't aprove of his rantings and I don't blame anyone for dismissing him. It seems I like a lot of nutcases including our favorite Ann Coulter who is going to be on the cover of time BTW.

 

[varwoche]

Please note that I left out drug use. Peace, love, drugs, long hair and rock and roll. Nugent is three fifths hippy.

.6 rounds up to 1, so he's a hippy. Unless you deduct the non-hippy portion first, in which case .2 rounds down to 0.

 

[RandFan]

.6 rounds up to 1, so he's a hippy. Unless you deduct the non-hippy portion first, in which case .2 rounds down to 0.

Ahhhh.... ever the pedant. You know what they say about pedant's don't you?

 

[Bruce]

I like Ted, I just think he is a nutcase. I don't aprove of his rantings and I don't blame anyone for dismissing him. It seems I like a lot of nutcases including our favorite Ann Coulter who is going to be on the cover of time BTW.

I've never actually seen her before. Now I wish I hadn't.

No, don't uncross your legs! No, don't....no,no.....that ain't right......(barf)

 

[DaChew]

Yes.

You bet.

Can you explain exactly what you find distressing about the photos and why your anecdotal evidence involving your friend's supposed experience with Nugent has anything to do with firearms?
In both photos Nugent has his finger off the trigger and has the firearm pointed away from anyone. Unlike, say, Diane Fienstein who pointed an AKS-47 with her finger on the trigger directly at a crowd of people.

 

[Ladyhawk]

Re: Re: Nugent for president!

Just out of curiosity, which one of those are you?


This is not news, of course. Ted's been saying things like this for about 30 years. He even had a radio show here in the Detroit area on which he said things similair to this every morning for about 2 years.

That's a fact. Sometimes he was pretty hilarious, too. I mean, even if you disagree with his politics, he can be funny. I can't help remembering when he took on some woman who was enraged over deer hunting. Well, she should have brought her facts with her coz Ted shredded every comment she made to pieces. (He's an avid hunter and quite involved with preservation efforts and the like, as I understand it). He informed her how deer had died from displacement (due to the whole urban sprawl thing) , starvation, etc., etc., etc. She literally was tongue tied by the time he allowed her chance at the mike.

Ted is just another Detroit entertainer.

Much like our fine Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, who TIME recently named as one of the 3 worst mayors in the country!

 

[DaChew]

Re: Re: Re: Nugent for president!

Ted is just another Detroit entertainer.

Like Kid Rock, Aretha Franklin, Eminem and Iggy Pop (Do you realize that in that list Kid Rock is the most normal of the bunch?). We do produce some odd "artists" around here. What do you expect though, Detroiters find the strangest things worthy of praise. At a Red Wings game at the Joe, a friend of mine pointed out Kristy Yamaguchi and Michelle Kwan walking the concourse in between periods. Nobody seemed to recognize them but there was some pretty raucous cheering going on about 20 feet behind them. The crowd had recognized a person far more worthy of notice than the two internationally known and ranked Olympic figure skaters - Mo Cheese. The fat guy that dances the Curly Shuffle in the stands during breaks in play. I didn't really think I saw what I thought I just saw until the next morning when it was reported exactly that way on a local radio show.

Much like our fine Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, who TIME recently named as one of the 3 worst mayors in the country!

Careful. You criticize the Mayor of Detroit and you will be branded either a racist and/or worse - a suburbanite. Are you down with the 313?

 

[crimresearch]

And let us not forget the MC5....

Although that nice young Dennis Coffey hasn't been around lately...whatever happened to him?

He was like the Anti-Nugent.

 

[uruk]

There are many, many people that I would trust with a gun, but Ted's not one of them.

I'd trust him more with a gun than with chainsaws

http://www.kasn.com/entertainment/music/story.aspx?content_id=EFDB2F3D-9D51-4AA6-BACD-67DDFC12FE82

Ted says he's anti-drug, but if you ever see him in an interview I'm sure the first word that would come to your mind is "methanphetamines". Remember Rush Limbaugh?

I was never into hunting as a sport. My uncles would all tell how hunters are actually part of nature, thinning the heard, preventing starvation, suffering. I remind them that nature was taking care of their own long before man came along. If your going to hunt, hunt for food not trophies ( I know Ted says he eats what he kills, but then they all do)
Then there are the one who say they revere the beauty of nature.
Oh man! look at that beautiful majestic deer, look how powerfull, look how sacred. *BANG!* Look how I got him right in the main artery!

 

[crimresearch]

Chainsaws don't kill people, people with hockey masks and chainsaws kill people.

 

[DaChew]

And let us not forget the MC5....

Although that nice young Dennis Coffey hasn't been around lately...whatever happened to him?

He was like the Anti-Nugent.

I often wonder if Bob Seger ever thought he missed the boat by not getting drunk and burning his own house down.

Coffey went to Hartford for a year before going to the Flyers for two lackluster seasons. His next season was with the Black Hawks who he only played ten games for. The next two seasons were with the Hurricanes whom he scored 11 goals for in 99' (this is a defenseman were talking about.) Coffey's last season was as a Brui........ Wait a minute... Who the hell is Dennis Coffey?

 

[uruk]

Chainsaws don't kill people, people with hockey masks and chainsaws kill people.

Chainsaws don't kill people, over the hill, has been right wing radical musicians with chainsaws maim themselves.

 

[DaChew]

I remind them that nature was taking care of their own long before man came along.

You say that as if man is not a part of nature.

 

[uruk]

You say that as if man is not a part of nature.

Not at all, Just that things were already in motion before man entered the mix. They say it as if nature is incapabe of taking care of itself.

 

[DaChew]

Not at all, Just that things were already in motion before man entered the mix. They say it as if nature is incapabe of taking care of itself.

You mean 100,000 or more years ago? OK. But that means there's a problem isn't there? Where man lives, he eliminates the predators that would check, say, the deer herd. If you advocate nature taking care of itself, wouldn't you also have to accept predators such as wolves and pumas? Or is it better that man take the place of the predators we've displaced?

 

[LW]

Where man lives, he eliminates the predators that would check, say, the deer herd. If you advocate nature taking care of itself, wouldn't you also have to accept predators such as wolves and pumas?

I have never hunted in my life and probably will not. However, currently and in foreseeable future there are exactly two ways to keep the elk herds thinned down around here:

(1) Shoot them with guns; or
(2) Run them down with cars.

Since with the current level of hunting there occurs roughly 3000 car-elk collisions each year, I'm not too fascinated on the idea of doing away with (1).

This figure compares for the 1300 collisions a year rate that we had 15 years ago when there were about 50,000 elks less wandering around.

 

[RandFan]

I remind them that nature was taking care of their own long before man came along.

Which is all well and good but man did come along and now there is a problem. In California it is illegal to hunt bear after a fixed limit. The bear become over populated and suffer from starvation. Tax money is used to pay wardens to cull the population and none of these Bear are used as food when we could charge hunters to do the job quite nicely.

 

[uruk]

Or is it better that man take the place of the predators we've displaced?

Why? Starvation, desease and severly dimished habitat takes care of that. These are ways in addition to predation that nature uses to control population. But because of our moral bent, we find these methods to be cruel and inhumane, so we prefer to put a slug in them. Quicker, less suffering, and you make a buck (no pun intended) off of it too.

What I said was that if your going to hunt, hunt for food not trophies. Trophy hunting is a waste. If an area is getting over populated capture and release in less populated ares. But that is more expensive than killing them. Besides you also make more money with selling hunting license and tourisim.

 

[RandFan]

Why? Starvation, desease and severly dimished habitat takes care of that. These are ways in addition to predation that nature uses to control population.

It's not just that. Predators who are hungry have a way of moving into areas populated by humans. While the fault is with the humans and not the bear it isn't realistic for us to do nothing.

And yes, I think it better to put a slug into a bear than let it starve to death. No morality there just an opinion.

 

[DaChew]

Why? Starvation, desease and severly dimished habitat takes care of that. These are ways in addition to predation that nature uses to control population. But because of our moral bent, we find these methods to be cruel and inhumane, so we prefer to put a slug in them. Quicker, less suffering, and you make a buck (no pun intended) off of it too.

Let them starve. OK. As LW points out, there's additional cost to that. Yes, starvation is one of nature's options. It doesn't work that way, of course. Wherever man lives he produces huge amounts of deer food from farms to gardens to lawns. Man, in the way he prefers to live, has eliminated two of natures checks on the herd: food and predators. That leaves disease. I wonder if animal diseases ever effect man.

What I said was that if your going to hunt, hunt for food not trophies. Trophy hunting is a waste.

That kind of sounds like a moral bent to me.