Sorry, I think it might have something to do with the unemotional logic thing.
I'm talking about the capability, and possibilities, that intelligence/consciousness has brought to the process.
I'm talking about the influence energy has on the material world.
Water needs oxygen and hydrogen?
Fact has an advantage over speculation, but it can also be limited by what is thought to be fact.
I'm looking for purpose, and the direction of evolution is towards the manipulation of matter, energy, and information. It just so happens that humans, with their intelligence, mark that step.
That is just a matter of levels, everything has a precursor. That is unless it was magically created.
I don't have to know where the line is that says that something has will and something else does, but there is one.
The more you know, the fuller your reality.
Looking for the "animating" force behind life, which direction would you look? Which of the four forces, has to do with that?
Statements like this one are common here.
Now I am sure bacteria does as much positive as negative (human reference) but the choice of examples are always gloomy. The thread starters are gloomy; "God the liar" or some such. Okay, I realize that this is just that side of them, the passion they feel about that subject, but that is what I see... and apparently what I used to judge. Like I said, sorry.
Purpose is a human concept. You cannot apply it to inanimate objects. Whatever "purpose" you find, it will always be just you and your brain that decide what you think it is. The universe not only doesn't care, it can't.
Evolution has a "direction" and it is towards more and more complex forms of...
Non sequitor, and a strawman to boot.
Yeah, what about that? Why is it reasonable to assume that a "self-producing" process created itself? And even if that is true-that the universe created itself-isn't that one of the properties that religion gave to God, a something that created itself, and all there is?
It didn't take. Every place I look (except here) says that the "general" direction of evolution is towards more and more complex forms of...
We are part of the universe, and it gave us the ability to care. Through humans, the process has became conscious of itself.
Any citation for that?
The universe didn't "give" us anything. Humans and perhaps some other creatures have become conscious, but there is no evidence that this is anything other than incidental. The overwhelmingly vast majority of the universe is not conscious. I know it makes many people feel good to imagine that we are more important than we are, but it is incorrect and anthropocentric to extrapolate our characteristics to the universe in general.
I say that once the big bang produced the 4 forces, that the rest had to happen. The seed (however made) had to produce the plant.
And that is why I harp on the human thing, they represent a new level of the process.
Humans are the leading edge of the process-for now-that is a reason to feel good. Though I don't think that it is any reason to imagine the universe revolving around humans, and God/the creator being one.
That is pure conjecture based on no evidence whatsoever. What seed?
This is another statement that is very limited. It is quite possible (some say likely) that intelligent life exists in other places in the universe, maybe even preceding humans on Earth. Again, don't be so proud of big brains. They may not prove to be such a great adaptive trait.
That you think there is a creator and it is intelligent indicates that you are still fitting things to your very human viewpoint. There is no evidence that the universe is intelligent at all, even though intelligence is certainly a part of it. From what we can see, it is a very small part.
Well, I give you credit for recognizing this, because this is exactly how you seem to behave. It seems to me that you seek greater significance in the universe because you can't seem to bear the thought that it simply does not, and cannot, care.