Not a God, a creator.

[D'rok]

LCL, what would it take for you to seriously consider the idea that life does not have a purpose, goal, destiny, fate, or whatever it is you want to call it?

 

[Belz...]

Don't bother, D'rok. Light is unable to store new information.

 

[wollery]

They are more "more evolved" "superior" and "more important" in reference to what I be talking about.

Which is precisely the point!

Knowing this, humans will probably add "purposely" sending them off into space, to them going anyway.

Eh, I have no idea what you mean!

I salute them. They do a great job in forming the foundation for more complex life.

Who said we were racing? Why can't we be working towards a common goal, spreading life?

Curious about that sound you just heard? That was the point whizzing over your head.

We are the only ones who know it. That is something new. Knowing has added another level to the process.

Yet more anthropocentrism. *sigh*

I have heard where some bacteria can "hypermutate" and you are saying that some can turn it off. How did they do that, if the lifeform has no input to the process?

And still you attribute to evolution some form of intent on the part of the organism. Please read what i said again, carefully this time, and note the phrase "pressure to evolve". It's of vital importance to the context.

Look up Lamarckism on the internet, and then read all about why it's a load of cobblers. If only you actually searched for truth rather than looking to confirm your own preconceptions you might, just possibly, have the vaguest chance of learning something worth knowing.

 

[qayak]

And humans can modify and change it, or destroy it, willfully. Bacteria cannot do that.

So, how does this make humans superior? It just makes them different.

Somehow, hitching a ride on a human-made shuttle is "beating them to space" in your world...

Well, the race was to see who colonizes space first. Bacteria have a huge head start, they are already there. Humans sit here dreaming, unable to make it a reality.

As many scientist have pointed out, even if we find life on Mars, or any other planet we have sent probes to, we can't be sure that life didn't come from Earth, transported by the very probes doing the searching.

And you will probably lose that bet, and I'll be laughing.

I doubt it. Have you read up on the problems of human colonization of space? Didn't Bush say the US was going to Mars several years ago? How much closer are we now? Have you ever wondered why the ISS is limited to low Earth orbit?

Even if you do win the bet, you won't be laughing. Neither will many generations of your descendants.

Is it a requirement to hate humans to be on this board? Or do you guys just do it because it's the "cool" thing to do?

Only humans who think the universe holds them in special regard.

 

[arthwollipot]

Bacteria has it's place. But are you saying that humans are meaningless? That they've accomplished or done nothing?

Putting words into my mouth, there? Er, fingers? I never said any such thing.

And humans can modify and change it, or destroy it, willfully. Bacteria cannot do that.

So wilfulness is your criterion then. We can act wilfully and bacteria cannot. I suppose you don't have much truck with predestination.

Actually, for that matter, neither do I.

Somehow, hitching a ride on a human-made shuttle is "beating them to space" in your world...

I think you'll find the "them" here was referring to insects, not humans. Bacteria can survive in deep vacuum. Humans cannot, and neither can insects. Bacteria can survive in acidic springs, at the edge of undersea volcanoes, deep underground, and a lot of other places we can't.

I'll assume that you're not claiming that humans' ability to destroy the planet is a good thing?

 

[Belz...]

And humans can modify and change it, or destroy it, willfully. Bacteria cannot do that.

Bacteria can eat you from the inside out. Humans can't do that.

 

[Lonewulf]

Y'know, I get into enough mindless arguments with people on this forum as it is.

People think that it's logical to claim that bacteria are superior to humans.

People think that ALL species of bacteria should rationally be compared to ONE species of animal.

People think that... you know what? Forget it.

I'm beginning to see just how "rational" people are on this forum.

Unsubscribing. I have no wish to kill more braincells. I'd rather read another creationist thread for that.

 

[Belz...]

People think that it's logical to claim that bacteria are superior to humans.

Never said that. The idea of "superiority" is meaningless, anyway. You're the one arguing superiority, not me.

People think that ALL species of bacteria should rationally be compared to ONE species of animal.

Actually I was talking about just the one.

I'm beginning to see just how "rational" people are on this forum.

What's irrational is your apparent unwillingness to challenge your own opinions.

Unsubscribing. I have no wish to kill more braincells. I'd rather read another creationist thread for that.

Suit yourself.

 

[wollery]

Y'know, I get into enough mindless arguments with people on this forum as it is.

People think that it's logical to claim that bacteria are superior to humans.

People think that ALL species of bacteria should rationally be compared to ONE species of animal.

People think that... you know what? Forget it.

I'm beginning to see just how "rational" people are on this forum.

Unsubscribing. I have no wish to kill more braincells. I'd rather read another creationist thread for that.

I love the smell of anthropocentrism in the morning!

 

[Belz...]

Says the man with the Owl avatar with glasses and a hat...

 

[Faithkills]

Says the man with the Owl avatar with glasses and a hat...

That would be anthropomorphism not anthropocentrism

 

[lightcreatedlife@hom]

Okay, I understand. Now can you explain how a creator with negative, positive, attraction and repulsion could create the universe we see around us?

They are the basic forces at work. Two charges bring on two reactions.

No. What they did was to say: "If this universe had a creator, he would have to be supernatural, with all the attributes that go along with supernatural beings.

Supernatural is fine, all-powerful is not. Like my posted example, one does not have to follow the other.

Supernatural beings are gods by definition. The creator of the universe was a god."

Supernatural could also mean "outside the universe."

So, you are claiming a non-supernatural being with the attributes positive, negative, attraction and repulsion is what created the universe and I am asking you what evidence you have that would lead you to that conclusion.

The four forces created the universe, and their attributes are: a binding force, a force of decay, an attractive force, and one that was attractive and repulsive.

 

[lightcreatedlife@hom]

Never said that. The idea of "superiority" is meaningless, anyway. You're the one arguing superiority, not me.

I'm not trying to argue superiority, everything plays a part. But, if humans are a part of the process, their consciousness and intelligence came out of it, and added another lever to it.
The process could have started by accident, but because of the direction of its flow, consciousness and intelligence had to come from it.

 

[Faithkills]

The four forces created the universe, and their attributes are: a binding force, a force of decay, an attractive force, and one that was attractive and repulsive.

What could this theory be used to predict? How can it be falsified?

 

[lightcreatedlife@hom]

You won't know if you don't read it. Yes, it is poking fun at you, but gently.

Says you.

Probably you scanned it. It's very short. Most people read all the posts in the threads they start.

My scan did not like it, and I trusted the opinion.

Not true, especially in forums. You could have someone say, "What did you think of that letter somebody wrote about you?" In fact, this very thing happened here. Sackett referenced the poem and you responded in a way that sounded distinctly like you were bothered. You said:

I do not have to read it to be annoyed by the attempt.

But I'll summarize it anyway and you can read it or not as you choose. The poem points out that trying to speculate on whether or not humans could be like gods is a tad premature since gods (and flying spaghetti monsters) would first have to be shown to exist.

I don't believe humans can be Gods, nor do I believe that Gods can live up to all the things humans have heaped on them.

 

[lightcreatedlife@hom]

What could this theory be used to predict? How can it be falsified?

Those are the forces that the "big bang" set inot motion.

 

[lightcreatedlife@hom]

Precisely. So have you now changed your tune about complexity?

Life uses whatever works, but the process is about an ever increasing pattern of matter, energy, and information.

Germs have wills?

To live.

What in the wide world of sports does this unsupportable assertion have to do with your other unsupportable assertion that consciousness is evolutionarily inevitable?

With 20/20 hindsight, yes.

Re-read for comprehension and you'll see that I was replying to your assertion that evolution has to produce consciousness. You admit that humans are not the purpose. Fine. Neither is consciousness.

Humans and consciousness are stages/levels of the process.

I have emotions. You have emotions. The solar system doesn't. Light doesn't.

The percursors for them has to be tied to light energy.

Emotions are not the means to understand reality.

How about experience it?

Observation and experimentation are. You can't "feel" your way to the "truth" about life, the universe and everything.

You could be emotionally involved enough to search.

I'm quite happy knowing that I'm cosmically insignificant.

Me too

 

[Tricky]

Those are the forces that the "big bang" set inot motion.

LOL. Really? How do you know this? Were you around before the beginning of the universe?

 

[Darth Rotor]

They don't call him Tricky for nothing: Notice how he just happens to leave out any mention of the Trinity: Olive, Tomato, and Holy Basil.

Vile heretic!

Correction: Olive oil, not Olive.

DR

 

[Darth Rotor]

LOL. Really? How do you know this? Were you around before the beginning of the universe?

There was no "before," since there was no Time yet.

By the way, LCL's first post shows me that he has been rummaging about in some old Phillip Jose Farmer books about pocket universes. (Can't recall the name of the series, but there were five books in it, there were siblings, and no, it wasn't Riverworld.) I'll ETA when I find the references.

One word: Kickaha.

ETA:

World of Tiers series

Maker of Universes
Gates of Creation
A Private Cosmos
Beyond the Walls of Terra
The Lavalite World

Man, this Farmer Nostalgia makes me want to read "A Feast Unknown" again.

DR