North Korea launches rocket

Wolfman said:
Well, it seems to be confirmed now that the test was a failure, and the rocket crashed into the ocean. Perhaps the North Korean gov't can claim a victory, "North Korea proves ability to launch attacks against ocean-based attacks!"
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Damn! Where are we going to send Aquaman now?!
 
Wolfman said:
Well, it seems to be confirmed now that the test was a failure, and the rocket crashed into the ocean. Perhaps the North Korean gov't can claim a victory, "North Korea proves ability to launch attacks against ocean-based attacks!"

The concern now is that they'll follow this up with a nuclear test, in order to try to save face.
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Jokes about Korean Fish Fry are now in order ..
angrysoba said:
North Korea is Eco-Korea! Living Green Life and No Pollution for the Happy Earth!
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Spun like a political operative. Well done. :)
Skepticemea said:
As long as their coverage doesn't contain Sarah Jessica Parker. :eek:
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There are many blessings, and that is one of them.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Spun like a political operative. Well done. :)
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It's a parody obviously but it is difficult to parody things like this unveiling ceremony of smiling Kim Sr. and smiling Kim Jr. which might take everyone's mind of the failed "satellite launch" and the fact there is no food and aid has been cancelled.

Statues of President Kim Il Sung and leader Kim Jong Il were successfully built on Mansu Hill.

The statues portray smiling Kim Il Sung who indicates the way ahead with his hand held forward and smiling Kim Jong Il blessing Songun Korea prosperous morrow while looking far into its bright future in the new century...The unveiling ceremony took place with splendor Friday.
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McHrozni said:
I just hope the first stage worked well enough to determine if it was a nuclear missile test, rather than attempted satellite launch. From what I red prior to launch, this is possible to determine early on in the launch sequence from the trajectory.

McHrozni
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If this is ever determined, I very much doubt that we'd find out.
 
Quad4_72 said:
Hahaha. Their newspaper headlines will read "Self Destruct Mechanism on Rocket Huge Success!"

I am pretty sure you have to feed scientists for them to design stuff correctly...
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Cruelty to animals and North Korean rockets are frowned apon by your local PETA Organization.
 
Wolfman said:
Well, it seems to be confirmed now that the test was a failure, and the rocket crashed into the ocean. Perhaps the North Korean gov't can claim a victory, "North Korea proves ability to launch attacks against ocean-based attacks!"

The concern now is that they'll follow this up with a nuclear test, in order to try to save face.
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The rocket got just ten inches up in the air...
 
Wolfman said:
Well, it seems to be confirmed now that the test was a failure, and the rocket crashed into the ocean. Perhaps the North Korean gov't can claim a victory, "North Korea proves ability to launch attacks against ocean-based attacks!"

The concern now is that they'll follow this up with a nuclear test, in order to try to save face.
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Perhaps the West should arrange that this attempt actually results in a nuclear explosion.
If you're all set up to study a nuclear explosion, you should be grateful if somebody gives you one to study.
 
Nosi said:
N Korea has just one lighted area.
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Yep and that's their capital city, and it goes off and on (a lot more than western cities, anyway.)


So, infinite control is terrible, if you care about The People.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
its like the NASA picture of all the city lights

[qimg]http://xbehome.com/uploads/North-Korea-dark.jpg[/qimg]
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Maybe they're all just really, really keen amature astronomers? It's got to be one of the best places in the world for observing the night sky, surely?
 
Just in case anyone didn't see the videos provided by Richard Engels (what an amazing guy), picture him standing about 10 feet away from "the satellite" which is sitting atop what looks like one of those old fashioned typewriter stands, no solar arrays, no ports for guidance engines, no antennae...It looks like a 3'x2'x2' lump of trash, compacted by one of those waste disposal units.

So, Engels is standing there in street clothes saying how this is the satellite that will be launched, trying to keep a straight face. No clean room, no glass between him and the satellite, etc. I kept hoping he'd sneeze. Sheesh..

Well, perhaps it was a non-working model for demonstration purposes.

Then we see the rocket standing in an open field of weeds, with a little bit of barbed wired fence, one guard and a very odd gantry supporting it. There is some guy sticking his arm in a port in the side yanking on something. The field would surely be on fire at the time of launch, but meh...who cares.

At the base, small fins that are supported at two points...so they cannot be rotated. WTF? I don't think modern rockets have fins any more, unless they are air to air missiles or designed to be very maneuverable. OK, the Saturn V had fins, (and gimbal mounted motors) but most of the ones I see lately do not, check the one that India just fired. To me the whole thing looked like a toy, or a mockup of a real rocket.

Then there was the control room, complete with old CRT style monitors installed into the desk panels, right out of the 60's. The 23 year veteran of rocket science that Engels brought along said something like, "Yes, I guess it could be a control room to support an orbiting vehicle." One gets the feeling they can't wait to get to the US to burst out laughing.

Just my opinion of the whole thing. I sure hope they stay out of the nuke business. ;)
 
Olowkow said:
At the base, small fins that are supported at two points...so they cannot be rotated. WTF? I don't think modern rockets have fins any more, unless they are air to air missiles or designed to be very maneuverable. OK, the Saturn V had fins, (and gimbal mounted motors) but most of the ones I see lately do not, check the one that India just fired. To me the whole thing looked like a toy, or a mockup of a real rocket.
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If I recall correctly, on the Saturn V, they realised after the event that the fins were unnecessary.
 
missle

Well when one tries to launch an antique missle design with fuel that probably was designed for newer type/larger type rockets...well... also it was like... the rest of this document has been deleted or blacked out ...
 
So I'm generally interested in how events are portrayed in Western media and how they filtre into the popular consciousness, especially regarding Enemies of the West (tm).

So North Korea's attempted satellite launch was a provocation, and when it failed, it highlighted North Korea's technical ineptitude.

Interestingly, I don't think I saw *any* discussion when South Korea's first spaceship blew up in 2010, let alone anyone discussing how this was a provocative move by the South or how it showed how technically inept they were:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10281073
 
Captain.Sassy said:
So I'm generally interested in how events are portrayed in Western media and how they filtre into the popular consciousness, especially regarding Enemies of the West (tm).

So North Korea's attempted satellite launch was a provocation, and when it failed, it highlighted North Korea's technical ineptitude.
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Proof it was a satelite launch and not a "clandestine" ICBM test?

Interestingly, I don't think I saw *any* discussion when South Korea's first spaceship blew up in 2010, let alone anyone discussing how this was a provocative move by the South or how it showed how technically inept they were:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10281073
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Satelite launches are not provocations. ICBM tests are. ICBM tests that go against UNSC resolutions are major provocations.

As for technical ineptitude, North Korea had been trying to do the same for a decade now, versus what? Two years for South Korea? This is not a trivial differance.

McHrozni
 
Captain.Sassy said:
So I'm generally interested in how events are portrayed in Western media and how they filtre into the popular consciousness, especially regarding Enemies of the West (tm).

So North Korea's attempted satellite launch was a provocation, and when it failed, it highlighted North Korea's technical ineptitude.

Interestingly, I don't think I saw *any* discussion when South Korea's first spaceship blew up in 2010, let alone anyone discussing how this was a provocative move by the South or how it showed how technically inept they were:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10281073
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Do you seriously think that North Korea were trying to launch a satellite?

This is now the third "attempt". On both previous occasions they reported, to their people, that they were successful. In fact, they even told the world this was true.

This time round they actually admitted it was a failure. This is probably because they no longer can prevent conclusive evidence of its failure seeping through.

Now given that North Korea has a habit of repeatedly lying and lying and lying again about its nuclear weapons program and given the fact that some countries who provide aid to North Korea have explicitly requested that aid is conditional on North Korea not launching these missiles, do you really think it is of no business to the western public that North Korea is still blatantly following a nuclear weapons programme that they used to disavow at every turn?

The DPRK always said they had no nuclear weapons programme. Explicitly they said they had no uranium enrichment programme and they also explicitly state that their rockets are just for launching satellites.

Now, these days we know they were lying about the first two. We have copious evidence that they lied to their people about the previous "satellite launches" and yet some dozy people are still determined to believe in the good faith of North Korea about a third "satellite launch".

I think that North Korea could never be bad enough for some.
 
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