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North Korea Launches a Missile

You don't think NK rocket scientists and engineers are capable of dismantling one or more of those Russian rocket engines and reverse engineering their own?

I really doubt it.

Ask yourself if California could to it if they were isolated from the rest of the US.

The remember California has about 50% greater population, a much stronger economy, and isn't using human poop to fertilize their crops.
 
I really doubt it.

Ask yourself if California could to it if they were isolated from the rest of the US.

The remember California has about 50% greater population, a much stronger economy, and isn't using human poop to fertilize their crops.
Huh? California practically has a complete space program inside it's borders right now.
 
They apparently did some alterations of the photos of the launch.

CNN said:
The photographs North Korean state media released of last week's Hwasong-15 nighttime missile test appear to have been tampered with, an analyst told CNN.

Marco Langbroek, a space expert who tracks North Korea's missile program, told CNN he noticed something strange about the stars in images taken from opposite sides of the missile launch.

You should see constellations that are opposites in the sky. That is not the case," he said...


http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/asia/north-korea-hwasong-15-images-intl/index.html
 
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Of what? The sky falling on your head? :confused:
You don't think NK rocket scientists and engineers are capable of dismantling one or more of those Russian rocket engines and reverse engineering their own?
They have been building usable ballistic missiles for about three decades, maybe a bit longer. When I was on a NATO project regarding Theater Ballistic Missile Defense (a bit over two decades ago) in the mid 90's, it wasn't just Scuds we worried about. It was also about nodong and taepodong variants built in North Korea.

Their rocket making and building infrastructure is not recent. They keep trying to get better at it, just as we and the Russians did in the 50's and 60's ... and for that matter, now.

Presuming that only foreigners can build decent rockets for the North Koreans does not match their demonstrated effort and capability over a significant time horizon.

Give those hard working engineers and scientists a little credit, OK folks?
 
They said on RT that when Trump was elected that North Korea offered face to face talks, perhaps with the behind closed doors help of Putin, which Trump then refused. It sounds like the North Korean Foreign Minister is quite a sensible chap but he is up against the moron Kim Jong Un and the North Korean military. Personally I find even Trade Union negotiations depressing, and I suspect any North Korean negotiations might lead nowhere, but it might prevent a nuclear war which would end in disaster. It's like American tough cops shoot you dead if you get arrested.
 
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Video clip on the BBC website this morning:

In a wide-ranging interview with the BBC's Yalda Hakim, US National Security Adviser HR McMaster said that the United States has "to be prepared, if necessary, to compel the denuclearisation of North Korea", with or without their cooperation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...aster-weighs-in-on-north-korea-nuclear-threat

I'm not sure how much credence to give this. President Trump ignored and marginalised Tillerson but McMaster is a general and may be more likely to be able to grab the President's attention.
 
I'm not sure how much credence to give this. President Trump ignored and marginalised Tillerson but McMaster is a general and may be more likely to be able to grab the President's attention.
I will suggest to you that McMaster did not make those words up on the spot. That appears to be yet another case of "signal sending" which may or may not be understood by those receiving it.(Read a few articles last year about the trouble some NK officials have with parsing the rhetoric from Washington.)
 
In his new year address, Kim has called pretty nicely for direct talks with the South, apparently with a positive first response.

Kim Jong Un said:
[...] Even though the conservative "regime" in south Korea, which had resorted to fascist rule and confrontation with fellow countrymen, collapsed and the ruling circles were replaced by another thanks to the massive resistance by the enraged people of all walks of life, nothing has been changed in the relations between the north and the south. On the contrary, the south Korean authorities, siding with the United States in its hostile policy towards the DPRK against the aspirations of all the fellow countrymen for national reunification, drove the situation to a tight corner, further aggravated the mistrust and confrontation between the north and the south, and brought the bilateral relations to a fix that can be hardly resolved. We can never escape the holocaust of a nuclear war forced by the outside forces, let alone achieve national reunification, unless we put an end to this abnormal situation.

The prevailing situation demands that now the north and the south improve the relations between themselves and take decisive measures for achieving a breakthrough for independent reunification without being obsessed by bygone days. No one can present an honourable appearance in front of the nation if he or she ignores the urgent demands of the times.

This year is significant both for the north and the south as in the north the people will greet the 70th founding anniversary of their Republic as a great, auspicious event and in the south the Winter Olympic Games will take place. In order to not only celebrate these great national events in a splendid manner but also demonstrate the dignity and spirit of the nation at home and abroad, we should improve the frozen inter-Korean relations and glorify this meaningful year as an eventful one noteworthy in the history of the nation.

First of all, we should work together to ease the acute military tension between the north and the south and create a peaceful environment on the Korean peninsula.

As long as this unstable situation, which is neither wartime nor peacetime, persists, the north and the south cannot ensure the success of the scheduled events, nor can they sit face to face to have a sincere discussion over the issue of improving bilateral relations, nor will they advance straight ahead towards the goal of national reunification.

The north and the south should desist from doing anything that might aggravate the situation, and they should make concerted efforts to defuse military tension and create a peaceful environment.

The south Korean authorities should respond positively to our sincere efforts for a detente, instead of inducing the exacerbation of the situation by joining the United States in its reckless moves for a north-targeted nuclear war that threatens the destiny of the entire nation as well as peace and stability on this land. They should discontinue all the nuclear war drills they stage with outside forces, as these drills will engulf this land in flames and lead to bloodshed on our sacred territory. They should also refrain from any acts of bringing in nuclear armaments and aggressive forces from the United States.

Even though the United States is wielding the nuclear stick and going wild for another war, it will not dare to invade us because we currently have a powerful nuclear deterrent. And when the north and the south are determined, they can surely prevent the outbreak of war and ease tension on the Korean peninsula. [...]
 
Ohhh! I approve.

Seriously though, we know NK has various missiles and the KIC (Kid in charge) likes fireworks. For all we know, he may be telling his subjects that every time they fire one off it's a nuke hitting one of his enemies.

I believe, just like the US currently, the heads of both countries are correctly named as the AIC (******* in charge)!!!!
 
It's like something out of a boy's comic. You wonder what kind of flaws and defects are inbuilt into Nork's nuclear armoury. Only need one 'accident' and it will make Chernobyl look like a two-penny sparkler.

Two North Korean spies steal Ukraine's missile designs. So no nuclear physicists who've studied for years at top universities, but a bunch of schlongheads more used to designing mobile phones.

One can but hope - and one does. And one hopes the little **** has time to know it is about to happen for two or three minutes before it does so he can die [SNIP].

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In his new year address, Kim has called pretty nicely for direct talks with the South, apparently with a positive first response.

I'm not impressed. This looks like the same list of demands as the last twenty times. They want the US to stop supporting South Korea, and don't see any reason to offer concessions of their own. They consider joint military exercises to be a threat in and of themselves, and want SK's military readiness eliminated. This is the guy who sank the ROKS Cheonan because military drills in international waters are something he considers to be aggression.

Sure, I get it, but the US is not going to pull troops from SK and decline to install Patriot just because NK feels jumpy about it.
 
Apparently there's now a more substantial positive response from the South:

21st Century News Wire said:
According to a statement made by South Korean Unification Minister Cho Myoung-gyon (image, above), the leadership in Seoul have proposed high-level talks with North Korea at the border village of Panmunjom January 9th.

Cho said officials intend to bring delegations from Seoul and Pyongyang together in order to focus on bilateral negotiations, as well as possibly bringing a North Korean delegation to the PyeongChang Winter Olympics this February. [...]

It’s no surprise then that every time the North and South begin to seriously pursue peace, the US will interfere, or create a ‘tension event’ which will temporarily kill-off peace talks – long-overdue talks which would ultimately lead to re-unification talks, which is something the US (and perhaps at the moment China as well) is not keen on for the simple reason that this would remove Washington’s only real pretext for militarily occupying South Korea and part of Japan, as well a maintaining an unofficial aggressive posture towards China by maintaining an array of US bases in the region.

Notice also how deep state media outlets like the New York Times will suddenly weigh-in with negative talking points as soon there are positive moves between the North and South. Yesterday, their Orwellian headline read:

“Kim Jong-un’s Overture Could Drive a Wedge Between South Korea and the U.S.”

The cynicism by the Times is incredible, as their writers attempt to frame any peaceful overtures from the North as some secret underhanded plot by Kim:

[...]
 
Trump (of course) takes credit:

@realDonaldTrump said:
With all of the failed “experts” weighing in, does anybody really believe that talks and dialogue would be going on between North and South Korea right now if I wasn’t firm, strong and willing to commit our total “might” against the North. Fools, but talks are a good thing!


With those quotes around "might", does he mean the power of the over-the-top verbal threat? Bullying them into talking to each other? Who knows.
 

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