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North Korea Launches a Missile

cullennz said:
Because he is a nutter who gets wound up by the US doing pointless exercises that are only done to wind him up. I think they got the message the last year and the year before and the decade of years before.........

Can you not see a circular thing happening here?

Maybe making the pretend play fights a few years apart or toning it down a bit might help.

Have no fear. The rest of the world won't think the US is wimpy for pandering slightly to the psychopathic meglomaniac

Just being the bigger man and all that



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Funnily enough, the US troop presence has decreased both in the drills and in the numbers that are permanently stationed in Korea and in Japan. So they have toned it down a bit. Slightly.
 
Hellbound said:
They have. I worked with a Patriot unit after the war, and the discussion came up. There were two primary problems with the system during the war.

First, the software wasn't completely updated for the anti-missile work. It didn't actually identify the missiles automatically (it was originally designed for anti-aircraft, not missile defense), so basically you had to fire at any radar traces. That got fixed.

Second, Sadaam's SCUDs had been modified for range. Basically, they were cut in half, and a larger fuel tank stuck in the middle. This made them weak in the center. The Patriot is a proximity missile; it doesn't impact the target, but explodes into fragments when it gets close. The problem here was that this tended to blow out the weaker grafted part of the SCUD, leaving the relatively intact front and rear sections. Because of issue 1, they would show up as radar traces as well, and generally were also engaged.
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Thanks for the information.

I found some information on Japan and the US's anti-missile defence for the area:

Japan currently has a two layer ballistic missile defense structure that comprises four Aegis destroyers equipped with the SM-3 missile system and ground-based Patriot Advanced Capability 3 (PAC-3) batteries.

The PAC-3 missile system is designed to intercept a ballistic missile flying in its “terminal phase,” or the period shortly before it would reach a target on the ground. So any North Korean ballistic missile flying high over Japan on a route toward Guam would need to be intercepted using SM-3 missiles.

Koda maintained that Aegis destroyers deployed in the Sea of Japan are capable of intercepting North Korea’s Hwasong-12 ballistic missiles if they fly over the Japanese archipelago as Pyongyang’s announcement describes, given the estimated speed, altitude and distance.

But the U.S. military probably will deploy three of its own Aegis warship groups near both Japan and Guam. The U.S. also has the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system on the western Pacific island, Koda pointed out.
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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...missiles-no-legal-basis-experts/#.WaaSM8gjHIU

The strange thing is that even if Japan has the capability to shoot down the missiles, there is doubt about whether their constitution permits them to do so.
 
Octavo said:
I'm not sure if this has been posted for discussion here yet - basically Ukraine has been accused of somehow allowing the norks to get their hands on me advanced rocket designs.

https://www.google.co.za/amp/s/amp....4/europe/ukraine-north-korea-spies/index.html
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It's like something out of a boy's comic. You wonder what kind of flaws and defects are inbuilt into Nork's nuclear armoury. Only need one 'accident' and it will make Chernobyl look like a two-penny sparkler.

Two North Korean spies steal Ukraine's missile designs. So no nuclear physicists who've studied for years at top universities, but a bunch of schlongheads more used to designing mobile phones.
 
Again, I think the greatest danger here is not NK firing off a single missile, or even the US's retaliation/pre-emptive strike. It's those guys in Russia and China with either faulty fail-safes or automatic Doomsday Devices (or just a couple ambitious soldiers) who will kick off the big bada-boom by accident.
 
alfaniner said:
Again, I think the greatest danger here is not NK firing off a single missile, or even the US's retaliation/pre-emptive strike. It's those guys in Russia and China with either faulty fail-safes or automatic Doomsday Devices (or just a couple ambitious soldiers) who will kick off the big bada-boom by accident.
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Yeah, that would definitely suck. Eric Schlosser's book on the US nuclear weapons system - Command and Control - is bad enough, but he says in the final chapter that if that system isn't scary enough then the countries that also have such nukes and a far poorer record of industrial safety mechanisms is even scarier.
 
angrysoba said:
Yeah, that would definitely suck. Eric Schlosser's book on the US nuclear weapons system - Command and Control - is bad enough, but he says in the final chapter that if that system isn't scary enough then the countries that also have such nukes and a far poorer record of industrial safety mechanisms is even scarier.
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Precisely why I'm more concerned now than I would have been in the same situation a year ago -- I read the book. The corresponding DVD did not convey the possibilities enough -- especially of the opinions of some of our own Generals.
 
angrysoba said:
Japan have Patriot anti-missile missiles which may or may not be useful against Scuds (I have heard that they were actually pretty ineffective in the Iraq War of 1991 but maybe they have improved since then).
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Patriots during the Gulf war had only marginal anti-ballistic capability, added as almost an afterthought, and successfuly intercepted about half of the missiles. This is a better success rate than North Korean ballistic missiles currently can manage.

Anti-ballistic capabilities of the Patriot were greatly expanded since. In particular explosive warheads were replaced with kinetic ones, because it was discovered in that conflict the missiles were better capable of hitting the incoming Scuds than explosive warheads were capable of reliably destroying them.

North Korean missile capability advanced in the past 26 years. You shouldn't be surprised if US interception technology advanced too.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Patriots during the Gulf war had only marginal anti-ballistic capability, added as almost an afterthought, and successfuly intercepted about half of the missiles. This is a better success rate than North Korean ballistic missiles currently can manage.

Anti-ballistic capabilities of the Patriot were greatly expanded since. In particular explosive warheads were replaced with kinetic ones, because it was discovered in that conflict the missiles were better capable of hitting the incoming Scuds than explosive warheads were capable of reliably destroying them.

North Korean missile capability advanced in the past 26 years. You shouldn't be surprised if US interception technology advanced too.

McHrozni
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Did they replace with kinetics? I didn't know that, must've happened after I left that unit ('97, I think).

Does make me feel better, though, considering some of the people we have working around them. Like the sergeant driving a 10-ton fuel truck, who backed into a live Patriot launcher and knocked it over on top of the truck. We were one spark away from a mass casualty event. :eek:
 
It doesn't inspire confidence that N Korea's missile broke in three on landing.

Is this normal?

It's like something out of Blue Peter: three toilet roll tubes, some sticky tape and insert some semtex.
 
Vixen said:
It doesn't inspire confidence that N Korea's missile broke in three on landing.

Is this normal?

It's like something out of Blue Peter: three toilet roll tubes, some sticky tape and insert some semtex.
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The missile landed? Or crashed?

And yes, it's normal.

This signature is intended to irradiate people.
 
NK claims they have done a 'perfect' test of a hydrogen bomb.
No outside confirmation but the earthquake it produced was 10x the size of the last nuclear test (6.3 vs 5.3).

There is still talk of diplomacy but all their past agreements were nothing more than blatant extortion for huge aid packages. Any agreement signed (if that route is taken, again) seems as worthless, if not more so, than previous ones.

What will Trumps response be? How about China? Japan? SK? Besides the usual denoucement that is.

Also, isn't it overdue that NK be kicked out of the U.N? It seems Kim might actually care about losing his seat as a recognized country. He has never met the criteria to have it in the first place.
 
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@Sherkeu: which Security Council members will support NK being kicked out of the UN? I can think of two who would not.
 
Sherkeu said:
NK claims they have done a 'perfect' test of a hydrogen bomb.
No outside confirmation but the earthquake it produced was 10x the size of the last nuclear test (6.3 vs 5.3).

There is still talk of diplomacy but all their past agreements were nothing more than blatant extortion for huge aid packages. Any agreement signed (if that route is taken, again) seems as worthless, if not more so, than previous ones.

What will Trumps response be? How about China? Japan? SK? Besides the usual denoucement that is.

Also, isn't it overdue that NK be kicked out of the U.N? It seems Kim might actually care about losing his seat as a recognized country. He has never met the criteria to have it in the first place.
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Kicked out for this? Countries have a sovereign right to develop weapons.
 
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