Norad-Tapes around 10:07: "terminate all exercise inputs"

[bio]

According to the NORAD-Tapes, around 10:07 there were still "exercise inputs" coming into Cheyenne Mountain, NORAD’s operations center.

How could it be, when according the official conspiracy theory, all exercises were stopped after the second crash around 09:03?

What kind of inputs, Speaker 10 was speaking about? Can anybody tell me, to whom this request, to stop the inputs, were given to?

13, 1547, near Pittsburgh. Possible bomb on board, united 93. Yeah, that's it. Near Pitt. Sorry, Northeast Weapons.
MALE SPEAKER 10: Hello. This is captain Taylor calling from Cheyenne Mountain control.
MALE SPEAKER 1: Yes.
MALE SPEAKER 10: what we need you to do right now is to terminate all exercise inputs comin into Cheyenne Mountain.
http://911depository.info/NORAD/Tapes/Transcript NEADS Channel 20 SD2 TK.pdf

 

[DavidJames]

I would recommend you stop debating here and take your evidence to those who can actually do something with it? Will you do that? I'm sure there are professional organizations, media outlets, criminal agencies in Germany.

Will you do that?

I'm guessing you won't.

 

[bio]

I would recommend you stop debating here and take your evidence to those who can actually do something with it? Will you do that? I'm sure there are professional organizations, media outlets, criminal agencies in Germany.

Will you do that?

I'm guessing you won't.

indeed my girlfriend will be very happy, when I follow your recommendation.

 

[Dave Rogers]

According to the NORAD-Tapes, around 10:07 there were still "exercise inputs" coming into Cheyenne Mountain, NORAD’s operations center.

How could it be, when according the official conspiracy theory, all exercises were stopped after the second crash around 09:03?

Maybe - I'm just guessing here, but it's a possibility - the people who called for the exercises to be stopped at 9:03 were too busy dealing with the real hijack to go over the entire organisation chart of the USAF, identify everybody responsible for generating exercise inputs, send messages to every single one of them, and check that those messages had been received, before getting back to dealing with the greatest emergency they'd ever faced in their lives. Therefore, maybe they forgot to inform some of the people involved in the exercises, and just ignored their inputs instead until someone had time to deal with the situation.

And, of course, if all the exercises had stopped dead on the mark of 9:03, you'd be pointing out that either (a) that was proof of foreknowledge, because everybody would have to know in advance that the exercises were supposed to stop at that time, or (b) that was prrof of complicity because the people who were supposed to be dealing with the hijack knew it wasn't urgent and could therefore spend their time dealing with trivia.

But we're all eager to hear your explanation as to why this proves 9/11 was an inside job.

Dave

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Maybe - I'm just guessing here, but it's a possibility - the people who called for the exercises to be stopped at 9:03 were too busy dealing with the real hijack to go over the entire organisation chart of the USAF, identify everybody responsible for generating exercise inputs, send messages to every single one of them, and check that those messages had been received, before getting back to dealing with the greatest emergency they'd ever faced in their lives. Therefore, maybe they forgot to inform some of the people involved in the exercises, and just ignored their inputs instead until someone had time to deal with the situation.

And, of course, if all the exercises had stopped dead on the mark of 9:03, you'd be pointing out that either (a) that was proof of foreknowledge, because everybody would have to know in advance that the exercises were supposed to stop at that time, or (b) that was prrof of complicity because the people who were supposed to be dealing with the hijack knew it wasn't urgent and could therefore spend their time dealing with trivia.

But we're all eager to hear your explanation as to why this proves 9/11 was an inside job.

Dave

Hell, Dave, I'd just be happy for someone to confirm that 1: The 10:07 time is indeed normalized for the time zone difference between the east coast and the NORAD location in Cheyenne, and 2. That if the time difference is indeed taken into account and 10:07 was indeed EST, that there were truly exercises still going on and this wasn't just some guy late to the game putting out a redundant order.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Hell, Dave, I'd just be happy for someone to confirm that 1: The 10:07 time is indeed normalized for the time zone difference between the east coast and the NORAD location in Cheyenne,

The reference to flight 93 suggests that the time zone is correctly normalised, I think.

and 2. That if the time difference is indeed taken into account and 10:07 was indeed EST, that there were truly exercises still going on and this wasn't just some guy late to the game putting out a redundant order.

Precisely.

Dave

 

[Horatius]

Or here's another possibility: The highjacking of flight 93, which was well after the order was given to terminate the exercises, confused someone at NORAD. "Wait, another one? WTF? Is this for real? Did everyone get the order to cancel that exercise? Well send it again, just in case!"

 

[Reheat]

My guess is that the trusted agents at the other (than NEADS) NORAD Regions didn't all get the word that the exercise had terminated earlier and were continuing to generate the preplanned exercise inputs to NORAD Hqs. NORAD Hqs was busy and probably were just ignoring them during the previous hour.

To clarify further, each Region has a Plans Departments who writes the specific scenario inputs based on the overall exercise plan, These people are trusted agents who control the inputs from the Regions to NORAD Hqs. and evaluate the reaction to those inputs. Obviously, the inputs were not being transmitted further by NORAD Hqs who had been simply ignoring them during the previous hour.

If bio had evidence that NEADS was continuing with the exercise (there isn't any) then he might have a point. Otherwise this OP is simply a continuation of his stupid and utter failure series of threads due to ignorance and failure to understand the subject matter

 

[Sabrina]

My guess is that the trusted agents at the other (than NEADS) NORAD Regions didn't all get the word that the exercise had terminated earlier and were continuing to generate the preplanned exercise inputs to NORAD Hqs. NORAD Hqs was busy and probably were just ignoring them during the previous hour.

To clarify further, each Region has a Plans Departments who writes the specific scenario inputs based on the overall exercise plan, These people are trusted agents who control the inputs from the Regions to NORAD Hqs. and evaluate the reaction to those inputs. Obviously, the inputs were not being transmitted further by NORAD Hqs who had been simply ignoring them during the previous hour.

If bio had evidence that NEADS was continuing with the exercise (there isn't any) then he might have a point. Otherwise this OP is simply a continuation of his stupid and utter failure series of threads due to ignorance and failure to understand the subject matter

I'd say this is the most likely explanation. Based on my experience with military exercises, it takes a good deal of time (unless the moment is preplanned) to actually complete an ENDEX order. If anything, the fact that they were potentially still receiving exercise messages emphasizes the fact that they just dropped everything else they were doing in favor of dealing with the real-world issue and only got the chance to complete ensuring ENDEX when things slowed down a tad.

 

[progge]

According to the NORAD-Tapes, around 10:07 there were still "exercise inputs" coming into Cheyenne Mountain, NORAD’s operations center.

This is not exactly what the passage you cite tells us. What it tells us is that someone at Cheyenne Mountain believed that there were still exercise inputs coming into Cheyenne Mountain from NEADS this late. The whole dialogue takes place at 10:12:24 EDT.
From the Tapes, however, it’s pretty clear that the NEADS staff was focused on the real-world happenings, and everyone knew them to be real-world happenings. (Just to get a sense of perspective: Around the same time someone on the NEADS Op Floor jokes about the bomb-on-board warning from UA 93 “if this is an exercise input, this is a good one”, and is told to “save this kind of BS“ (MCC TK, channel 3).)
So the claim that NEADS would still generate exercise inputs at 10:12 EDT makes not much sense.

What kind of inputs, Speaker 10 was speaking about?

No clue.

Can anybody tell me, to whom this request, to stop the inputs, were given to?

“MALE SPEAKER 1” ist Cpt. Brian Nagel from the NEADS Huntress ID section. But he gives a phone extension to Cpt. Taylor, i.e. this issue is referred to another person.
The NEADS chat logs probably contain precise info about the exercise inputs. Don’t know if copies will be contained in the rest of the material NARA is going to release in the future.

 

[DavidJames]

I would recommend you stop debating here and take your evidence to those who can actually do something with it? Will you do that? I'm sure there are professional organizations, media outlets, criminal agencies in Germany.

Will you do that?

I'm guessing you won't.

indeed my girlfriend will be very happy, when I follow your recommendation.

As I suspected, your interest is in getting attention, nothing to do with what really happened. Have fun, there are plenty of people here willing to feed your addiction.

 

[WildCat]

OMGWTF911wasaninsidejobOMGWTF!!1!1!!1!!1!!!1

Or something.

 

[The Platypus]

I stopped reading at "official conspiracy theory"... After years of this stuff, I think I'm starting to lose patience for this crap in my old age.

 

[bio]

This is not exactly what the passage you cite tells us. What it tells us is that someone at Cheyenne Mountain believed that there were still exercise inputs coming into Cheyenne Mountain from NEADS this late. The whole dialogue takes place at 10:12:24 EDT.
From the Tapes, however, it’s pretty clear that the NEADS staff was focused on the real-world happenings, and everyone knew them to be real-world happenings. (Just to get a sense of perspective: Around the same time someone on the NEADS Op Floor jokes about the bomb-on-board warning from UA 93 “if this is an exercise input, this is a good one”, and is told to “save this kind of BS“ (MCC TK, channel 3).)
So the claim that NEADS would still generate exercise inputs at 10:12 EDT makes not much sense.

No clue.

“MALE SPEAKER 1” ist Cpt. Brian Nagel from the NEADS Huntress ID section. But he gives a phone extension to Cpt. Taylor, i.e. this issue is referred to another person.
The NEADS chat logs probably contain precise info about the exercise inputs. Don’t know if copies will be contained in the rest of the material NARA is going to release in the future.

I agree with you, it makes no sense.
The identity of this powerful "another person", who was able to stop the exercise, is the key.
Why somebody does not want, that we know, who this person was? The document was redacted, so that nobody can identify this person.

 

[progge]

Why somebody does not want, that we know, who this person was? The document was redacted, so that nobody can identify this person.

The time you wasted for making up this spooky idea could have been the time spent to get the redacted info. It’s really not that difficult.

 

[Profanz]

I never knew debunkers were even willing to entertain this idea. Let's start with if debunkers believe there were any exercises going on during the attacks. Well? Do any of you even admit this much? Because that would be some coincidence.

 

[bio]

The time you wasted for making up this spooky idea could have been the time spent to get the redacted info. It’s really not that difficult.

What is your speculation, who could give the order terminating the exercise?

 

[WildCat]

I never knew debunkers were even willing to entertain this idea. Let's start with if debunkers believe there were any exercises going on during the attacks. Well? Do any of you even admit this much? Because that would be some coincidence.

Just once I'd like a truther to come up with a coherent reason why the excercises are even important to whatever idiotic conspiracy you adhere to.

You sure won't be doing that, will you Profanz? You're simply not capable IMHO.

 

[Oystein]

I never knew debunkers were even willing to entertain this idea. Let's start with if debunkers believe there were any exercises going on during the attacks. Well? Do any of you even admit this much? Because that would be some coincidence.

Oh and on just that day you had a serios blister on your behind. What a coincidence!

if only you would care to tell us what it means...

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

What is your speculation, who could give the order terminating the exercise?

Why speculate?