Non-Homeopathic Belladonna

Mojo said:
where do we suppose he came up with the idea of "thinning of the walls of the intestinal system, which allows the escaping of poisons"? Perhaps he got the idea from a work like the Home Physician, as referenced by Linda: "The condition is believed to be due to the action of a toxin produced...in another part of the body."
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Please explain how that quote from the Home Physician has anything whatever to do with "thinning of the walls of the intestinal system."

Mojo said:
By the way, I thought you were claiming that Cayce said it was to do with the immune system, not "poisons".
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I'm claiming both. The Cayce "Overview of Psoriasis" states:

"According to the readings, substances can 'leak' out of the intestine and be picked up by blood and lymph circulation.

"The body has four primary routes of eliminating toxins from the body: the colon, kidneys, lungs, and skin. In psoriasis, the other eliminating routes are not able to completely eliminate the toxicity. Thus, the skin pathology associated with psoriasis represents the body's desperate attempt to cleanse itself."
 
fls said:
What on earth do you see as a fundamentally new approach here? Psoriasis was already considered a systemic disease that at least sometimes was related to absorbed toxins causing an inflammatory reaction. The treatment included prevention by following the same diet that Cayce recommended and ingested medicines as well as local treatments. It also very much fits with the ideas as to cause, prevention and treatment of other constitutional diseases of the skin from that time period.
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The big difference is Cayce's emphasis on the role of the body's circulatory system in psoriasis.

fls said:
And a lot of what he said was simply wrong.

Linda
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What, exactly, aside from the word "infectious"?
 
Rodney said:
The big difference is Cayce's emphasis on the role of the body's circulatory system in psoriasis.
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Except that the body's circulatory system does not have any more of a role in psoriasis than it does for any other disease - i.e. his emphasis is either meaningless or wrong.

What, exactly, aside from the word "infectious"?
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This question was asked and answered already here.

Linda
 
Rodney said:
Please explain how that quote from the Home Physician has anything whatever to do with "thinning of the walls of the intestinal system."
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pehaps Linda was right then.

I'm claiming both. The Cayce "Overview of Psoriasis" states:

"According to the readings, substances can 'leak' out of the intestine and be picked up by blood and lymph circulation.

"The body has four primary routes of eliminating toxins from the body: the colon, kidneys, lungs, and skin. In psoriasis, the other eliminating routes are not able to completely eliminate the toxicity. Thus, the skin pathology associated with psoriasis represents the body's desperate attempt to cleanse itself."
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Is this now thought to be the cause of psoriasis?
 
Rodney said:
"According to the readings, substances can 'leak' out of the intestine and be picked up by blood and lymph circulation."
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I don't quite get this.
Does he mean leak out - meaning into the lumen of the intestine?
If so, it cannot get from there into the lymph or blood without leaking back in again.
Or does he mean leak in - meaning into the wall of the intestine.
If so, it certainly can get from there in to the lymph and blood.
But then why does he say leak out?
 
fls said:
Except that the body's circulatory system does not have any more of a role in psoriasis than it does for any other disease - i.e. his emphasis is either meaningless or wrong.

This question was asked and answered already here.

Linda
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I think the authors of this article would disagree with you, and so I'd like to get your comments on it.
 
BillyJoe said:
I don't quite get this.
Does he mean leak out - meaning into the lumen of the intestine?
If so, it cannot get from there into the lymph or blood without leaking back in again.
Or does he mean leak in - meaning into the wall of the intestine.
If so, it certainly can get from there in to the lymph and blood.
But then why does he say leak out?
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Cayce didn't actually say that. According to the article that I just cited to Linda: " . . . various factors produce a 'thinning of the walls of the small intestine - specifically, the jejunum and the lower duodenum. This thinning allows toxic products to leak from the intestinal tract into the circulation; these eventually find their way into the superficial circulation and lymphatics and are eliminated through the skin, producing the plaques of psoriasis.'"
 
Rodney said:
Cayce didn't actually say that. According to the article that I just cited to Linda: " . . . various factors produce a 'thinning of the walls of the small intestine - specifically, the jejunum and the lower duodenum. This thinning allows toxic products to leak from the intestinal tract into the circulation; these eventually find their way into the superficial circulation and lymphatics and are eliminated through the skin, producing the plaques of psoriasis.'"
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That is an example of nonsense.

Linda
 
fls said:
The article is a hodge-podge of science, psuedoscience, non-science and nonsense.
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Well, what do you expect from an organisation that says "the body of information that will be researched and used as a guide for directing our work will be the Edgar Cayce health readings".

ETA: TheMeridian Istitute has already been discussed elsewhere on the forum, for example after Rodney introduced them here. Also here. The "leaky gut/toxins/psoriasis" issue was also discussed.
 
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Basically, Rodney is claiming that Cayce's readings were correct because they are backed up by an organisation that bases its work on, er, Cayce's readings.
 
Rodney said:
Can you be more specific?
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Autointoxication, while an old idea, has been discredited over the last century by advances in our knowledge of physiology and pathophysiology.

Toxins are not sent to the skin for elimination.

The relationship between psoriasis and other diseases is mis-characterized.

The real research that they refer to does not support the conclusions that they claim to draw from that research.

They make many errors in classification of disease.

They provide no evidence that a bowel pathology model provides a necessary, sufficient or useful addition to the current understanding of psoriasis.

They mis-characterize the nature of standard medical treatments.

There's more.

Linda
 
Integrative medicine emphasizes cooperation between health care professionals of conventional and alternative therapies. From a integrative medicine approach, natural therapeutics directed to internal cleansing and intestinal healing hold promise in the treatment of psoriasis, in addition to standard medical therapies for this condition.
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And they all lived happily ever after?

Seems to me what we need is not conventional medicine, or alternative medicine or integrative medicine but.....Evidence Based Medicine!
 
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The term "comorbidity" has been used to describe the overlap of illnesses which tend to occur together.
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fls said:
Yes. That's what makes it nonsense.

Linda
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Can you cite an article or two that conclusively refutes Cayce's idea that " . . . various factors produce a 'thinning of the walls of the small intestine - specifically, the jejunum and the lower duodenum. This thinning allows toxic products to leak from the intestinal tract into the circulation; these eventually find their way into the superficial circulation and lymphatics and are eliminated through the skin, producing the plaques of psoriasis.'"
 
Rodney said:
Can you cite an article or two that conclusively refutes Cayce's idea that " . . . various factors produce a 'thinning of the walls of the small intestine - specifically, the jejunum and the lower duodenum. This thinning allows toxic products to leak from the intestinal tract into the circulation; these eventually find their way into the superficial circulation and lymphatics and are eliminated through the skin, producing the plaques of psoriasis.'"
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Rodney,

The whole idea is so contrary to everything we know about what happens when the walls of the intestinal tract are thinned, under what circumstances things "leak" from the intestine, what leaks and the effects on the body, and how the body eliminates substances, that it's as though you are asking me to cite an article that conclusively proves the adrenal gland do not pump blood throughout the body. Everything we know is proof against the idea.

Linda
 
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