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Non-binary identities are valid

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Belz... said:
It was a GoT reference, mate.
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One knows nothing. I read the books before they were popular! And I dare you to make too many remarks using the word "man" as your pronoun around Varys or that army of brainwashed eunuch slaves.
 
Joe Random said:
Or else ... ?
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Social sanctions, I suppose.

Unless your employee handbook has something to say about this, which it very well may. Deliberately and repeatedly misgendering an individual in the workplace would probably (correctly, IMO) fall under the headings of harassment and/or hostile environment.
 
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d4m10n said:
Social sanctions, I suppose.

Unless your employee handbook has something to say about this, which it very well may. Deliberately and repeatedly misgendering an individual in the workplace would probably (correctly, IMO) fall under the headings of harassment and/or hostile environment.
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Two easy fixes :

1) Start referring to everyone in the office as "it" or "thing". It's not discrimination if you're treating everyone the same.

2) Protest to HR that, while you might not have the biological condition, you identify as someone with prosopagnosia . So respect me as someone who can't remember faces, names, or pronouns or I'll have your ass fired for erasing my identity.
 
Joe Random said:
Two easy fixes :

1) Start referring to everyone in the office as "it" or "thing". It's not discrimination if you're treating everyone the same.

2) Protest to HR that, while you might not have the biological condition, you identify as someone with prosopagnosia . So respect me as someone who can't remember faces, names, or pronouns or I'll have your ass fired for erasing my identity.
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3) Don't be an ******* and use the person's prefered pronoun.
 
Joe Random said:
"David refuses to call me 'Imperator', even though I'd made my pronouns clear to him."
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Doesn't sound like something one would expect to hear outside of Youtube sketch comedy. I mean, it draws a giggle but not necessarily an analogy.

TragicMonkey said:
TragicMonkey could, if TragicMonkey desired, go the rest of TragicMonkey's life without using a single pronoun. All pronouns in English are simply linguistic convenience.
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Damion agrees. When in doubt, just add more syllables.

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d4m10n said:
Doesn't sound like something one would expect to hear outside of Youtube sketch comedy. I mean, it draws a giggle but not necessarily an analogy.
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Yeah and "Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina" was the punchline to a joke in an Arnold film in the 90s.

"But it makes my argument look bad" doesn't make an analogy invalid.

You want something real world so the "But that's a strawman!" subroutine it's triggered? Fine. Otherkin.

I demand you not only refer to me but literally think of me as a dragon. Can you do it?
 
d4m10n said:
Which argument would an individual's insistence on "Imperator" as a personal pronoun help refute?
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The whole "Just shut up, stop being so difficult, and just call the person in question what they want to be called" thing.
 
d4m10n said:
Which argument would an individual's insistence on "Imperator" as a personal pronoun help refute?
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In my heart of hearts I really do believe that I'm the emperor of the world. I'm trans-royalty.

This is why the ipso-facto what-you-feel-is-what-you-are doesn't work: because we never accomodate it otherwise.
 
Earthborn said:
In Japan there is a common superstition that blood types are predictive of personality types. Suppose you have one bloodtype, but feel that the description of the associated personality does not fit you at all and you recognise yourself more in the description of another blood type.
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//Hijack//

I learned about this in a video game article of places, to explain why blood types pop as character attributes in Japanese Video Games so often for no obvious reason. (They used the classic coin-op tournament fighter Street Fighter II as a classic example)
 
Belz... said:
In my heart of hearts I really do believe that I'm the emperor of the world. I'm trans-royalty.

This is why the ipso-facto what-you-feel-is-what-you-are doesn't work: because we never accomodate it otherwise.
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A more grounded example I'd used before is height. Several thousand years ago when I was doing the online dating thing it was not uncommon to see women including minimum heights in their wish list. Must be 6' 4" or taller, that sort of thing. Now let's say I got to chatting with one of those and we agree to meet for dinner. In walks my 5' 9" self, and she's clearly upset. "But wait," I say, "while my biological height might be 5'9", my internal stature is that of a 6'8" guy. Please don't confuse height with stature, it's demeaning.". That would be patently absurd, but the gender thing gets a pass.

And to be clear the issue isn't really pronouns or names despite my 'or else' post. I've said before I'd do my level best to remember that Dave now wants to be called Doris or the like. And if you insist on one of those silly 'xir' pronouns I'll just not bother and use your name. Names, style of dress, whatever - have at it. It's just the insistence that you really are this other thing that you're not, and that other people treat you in all ways as if you were, that's pushing it. One obvious example being the 'wax my ladyballs' guy a few months back.
 
Belz... said:
This is why the ipso-facto what-you-feel-is-what-you-are doesn't work: because we never accomodate it otherwise.
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Seems like a slippery slope argument from where I'm sitting. How does one get from he/she/they (which seems simple enough to me) to delusional individuals demanding to be perceived as royalty?

JoeMorgue said:
The whole "Just shut up, stop being so difficult, and just call the person in question what they want to be called" thing.
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Um, okay. How about "It isn't really all that difficult to remember he/she/they."

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