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Non-binary identities are valid

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d4m10n said:
Seems like a slippery slope argument from where I'm sitting.
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Not at all. We've already seen the rest of the slope.

How does one get from he/she/they (which seems simple enough to me) to delusional individuals demanding to be perceived as royalty?
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Some people are saying that it's delusional to demand to be perceived as a different gender.

Maybe it isn't, but I'm not sure it's reasonable either.
 
Not really a fitting analogy, though, people just making up random stuff to be called. The nonbinary thing is simply a third state on a well-established duality. Male, female, neither. Hardly the same as male, female, dragon spaghetti taco nonsense. Disagree all you want with the notion that someone can be neither male nor female, but don't pretend that nonbinary is the same as wanting to be called Tsar of all the Russias or a werewolf. It's intellectually dishonest, cheap sneers, and it's kind of been done to death already with "attack helicopter" looooong ago.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Not really a fitting analogy, though, people just making up random stuff to be called.
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But that's the thing: no one has access to your own thoughts so to anyone else there's really no distinction between a random stuff to be called and a pronoun like Zie.

The nonbinary thing is simply a third state on a well-established duality.
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Considering that each person may have their own pronouns, and that already Damion has managed to confuse three people in this thread, I submit that it's actually not very simple.
 
Belz... said:
But that's the thing: no one has access to your own thoughts so to anyone else there's really no distinction between a random stuff to be called and a pronoun like Zie.
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And are any of these uppity nonbinaries yelling at people for not reading their minds? If so, then they are clearly being ridiculous. However that doesn't seem to be the dispute here: the dispute seems to be nonbinary people are saying "please call me 'they' " and the people they ask are refusing to because of...freedom? Rigid adherence to the concept of duality in gender? Fastidiousness with grammar?

Considering that each person may have their own pronouns, and that already Damion has managed to confuse three people in this thread, I submit that it's actually not very simple.
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It's simpler than inventing crazy things to be called and implying those things are exactly equivalent to using "they" upon request. "Call me 'they'". OMG that's so complex I can't comprehend it! It's BREAKING MY MIND!!!!! ARGH!!!!!!!!

Just pretend they're Borg and address them as if they're the collective instead of one individual. That will quell any grammar fastidiousness as well as add a jolt of sci-fi fun to your day!
 
TragicMonkey said:
And are any of these uppity nonbinaries yelling at people for not reading their minds? If so, then they are clearly being ridiculous. However that doesn't seem to be the dispute here: the dispute seems to be nonbinary people are saying "please call me 'they' " and the people they ask are refusing to because of...freedom? Rigid adherence to the concept of duality in gender? Fastidiousness with grammar?
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I was addressing your objection that "Master" was fanciful while "Zie" or "Ma'am" is not. You're reading too much into it.

It's simpler than inventing crazy things to be called and implying those things are exactly equivalent to using "they" upon request. "Call me 'they'". OMG that's so complex I can't comprehend it! It's BREAKING MY MIND!!!!! ARGH!!!!!!!!
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Again, you should pay attention to the discussion. One person said "master", the other "imperator". One poster managed to mix these up within a few minutes. And that's the thing: we call people "mister" and "madam" and such because we have objective parameters we can observe. But one person wants "they", the other one wants "Zie", and the other one wants something else; it'd become hard to keep track of everything. Might as well just call people by their names, as you suggested earlier.

If it was just "they", it'd indeed be simple, but that's not what's being proposed.
 
Belz... said:
Can't see Twitter here.
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Take my word for it that the Tweet centers the image from post #373.

Belz... said:
Anyway I'm not talking about the OP. I'm talking about the general discussion about new pronouns. There's quite a bit of them.
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Have you ever met someone—even on the internet—who asks or expects you to use neologistic pronouns?
 
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Okay, I still haven't.

How common do you think this is?

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d4m10n said:
Okay, I still haven't.

How common do you think this is?
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Not.

But that doesn't stop activists from treating it as a pressing matter.

As far as "they" go, as TM said it's very simple. It's just not obvious who's a they unless they ask you, which usually doesn't come up since when you're talking about someone in the third person they're not there.
 
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