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Noah's Ark found?

They claim carbon dating proves the relics are 4,800 years old
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Would this be the sort of evangelicals who usually claim that dinosaurs didn't live millions of years ago, and radioisotope dating doesn't prove that they did because it isn't reliable?
 
Michael Redman said:
The dispersal of the animals from the ark to the four corners of the earth (it had four corners back then, of course) has such an obvious explanation that it should hardly need expounding: Pangaea.

I would think that an Australian, of all people, would understand that. How else do you explain the presence of English speaking people on your continent? Did they walk across the sea? The marsupials and the hedgehog were settled down as neighbors, just as the Australian and English did. Then they drifted.

The period of time between the landing of the ark and reliable historical records must have been a really amazing time to be alive. Not only were animals evolving before your very eyes, the continents were drifting so fast you could see it happen. A unicorn rancher in Atlantis goes to bed one night only to wake up the next day and find himself herding yaks in a Tibetan monastery. Such times!
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:D
 
God reached his hand down from the sky
He flooded the land, then he set it afire

He said, "Fear me again, know I'm your father,
Remember that no one can breathe underwater."

So bend your knees and bow your heads
Save your babies, here's your future...

YEAH HERE'S YOUR FUTURE!!!

God reached his hand down from the sky
God asked Noah if he wanted to die
He said, "No Sir, oh, no Sir!"
God said, "Here's your future.
It's gonna rain..."

So we're packing our things
We're building a boat
We're gonna create the new master race
'Cause we're so pure, oh Lord we're so pure!!!

So here's your future...

God told his son, "It's time to come home.
I promise you won't have to die all alone.
I need you to pay for the sins I create."
Son said, "I will, but Dad, I'm afraid!!!"

-"Here's your future" by The Thermals
 
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Nursedan said:
Alright, fine. I guess there's no possibility that this could be Noah's Ark. None whatsoever. Case closed.

I choose to make up my mind after compelling evidence is shown, not before. Maybe I don't fully understand the concept, then, of skepticism.
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I know some others have already replied, but just to put my two cents in:

I'm the guy here who keeps poking at people who say something is completely disproven or impossible, trying to point out absurd and idiotic hypothetical ways in which it could still happen just to show that you can't literally say something is impossible. Of everyone, I should probably be your best bet as far as finding someone to agree with you.

Here's my problem though... the facts as laid out in the bible don't make any sense to me. The story, as a whole, has so many issues that I honestly can't imagine anything at all that would convince me of it being real short of god himself pulling me aside and having a little chat with me.

If the structure was shown to be a boat, shown to be the proper age, and shown to have "PROPERTY OF NOAH" carved in it in the correct language and all of that was quadruple-checked by independent scientists I would happily agree that this thing had something to do with the biblical account. In a sense, then, I would be able to say "Yeah, they found Noah's Ark". If that's all you want, then there you go.

Finding what I described above still wouldn't make me believe the story as laid out in the bible though.
 
tsig said:
How can you possibly doubt the impartiality of an organization named "Noah's Ark Ministries International ".:D
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Because I'm a class action lawyer for L.D. Babylonian Scribes incorporated.
theres a slight copyright issue we'd like to discuss (in open court) with anyone who's publically stating that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. Anyone saying that from this point on is going to get sued (and possibly sacrificed to Bel)
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No I'm not kidding
:p

SOdhner said:
If the structure was shown to be a boat, shown to be the proper age, and shown to have "PROPERTY OF NOAH" PROPERTY OF ZIUSUDRA carved in it in the correct language AKKADIAN CUNEIFORM and all of that was quadruple-checked by independant scientists I would happily agree that this thing had something to do with the biblical MESOPOTAMIAN account. In a sense, then, I would be able to say "Yeah, they found Noah's ZIUSUDRAS Ark". If that's all you want, then there you go.
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Youre treading very close to the litigation line there sonny
:D

p.s. I have my eye on you RadRook
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http://psd.museum.upenn.edu/epsd/epsd/e2510.html
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About.com (which I had forgotten even existed) has all you need to know about Noah's Ark and the Flood.

Points of Interest from the Story:

• God's purpose in the flood was not to destroy people, but to destroy wickedness and sin.
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Oh I see. That makes perfect sense then. He had to 'destroy the village to save the village'.

One tiny little snagette... didn't actually work did it.
In fact Noah's son who was on the actual ark ended up being cursed by God (and his entire tribe of Canaans) because of the whole "Hey guys! Dad's nude! Check it out!" incident.

So not only did God fail to eradicate evil and sin, he actually let a 'sinful' man on the ark. Great plan.

With more detail, God instructed Noah to take seven of every kind of clean animal, and two of every kind of unclean animal. Bible scholars have calculated that approximately 45,000 animals might have fit on the ark.
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In an unusual definition of the word "calculated" by which it can also be taken to mean "Lied in a transparently stupid fashion".

Genesis 7:16 interestingly points out that God shut them in the ark, or "closed the door," so to speak.
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I'm not quite sure why this is "interesting". If I built a colossal ark with a big door in the side to let animals in, I would probably take it as read that before the global flood hit us I should probably... shut the door?
Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm unusually forward-planning or something.

The ark was exactly six times longer than it was wide. According to the Life Application Bible study notes, this is the same ratio used by modern ship builders.
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Now that is amazing. A description of a giant ship has it shaped... like a ship! And the shape of modern ships is amazingly different to the shapes of ships in Biblical times... how? Did they used to be much wider than they were long until Noah said "Hang on, I've got a crazy idea..."

Question for Reflection:
Noah was righteous and blameless, but he was not sinless (see Genesis 9:20).
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Help me out here. How can you be "not sinless" but at the same time be "righteous and blameless"?

Oh hang on, I remember now... if you're a Catholic priest.

Noah pleased God and found favor because he loved and obeyed God with his whole heart. As a result, Noah's life was an example to his entire generation. Although everyone around him followed the evil in their hearts, Noah followed God. Does your life set an example, or are you negatively influenced by the people around you?
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Do you have a bracelet that says "WWND"?

(Although Noah's answers to most issues seems to be either "Build a giant boat" or "Get completely drunk and naked" and to be honest these answers probably only solve about 70% of life's issues)
 
SOdhner said:
If the structure was shown to be a boat, shown to be the proper age, and shown to have "PROPERTY OF NOAH" carved in it in the correct language and all of that was quadruple-checked by independent scientists I would happily agree that this thing had something to do with the biblical account. In a sense, then, I would be able to say "Yeah, they found Noah's Ark". If that's all you want, then there you go.
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And all this would prove is that part of the Bible story was true. That there was a guy who had a large boat and his name was Noah. But that doesn't make the rest of it true, which is something very difficult to explain to fundies sometimes, who think if ANY part of a Bible story can be verified, the whole thing is true.

I gave a counter example in another thread the other day. When I was down in Mexico on an archaeology dig in college, we were studying Mayan ruins, and there were times we could verify information depicted in their mythologies displayed on temple walls. Does that make the Mayan's right? Let's just say, for example, that a story says that sacrifices were done to the jaguar god in such and such a place, and that they ended a famine. And we FIND that place, it really exists, and sacrifices to the jaguar god really did happen there. Does that mean that the jaguar god is real, and we should all still be doing human sacrifices?
 
Schrodinger's Cat said:
And all this would prove is that part of the Bible story was true. That there was a guy who had a large boat and his name was Noah. But that doesn't make the rest of it true, which is something very difficult to explain to fundies sometimes, who think if ANY part of a Bible story can be verified, the whole thing is true.
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Exactly.

Schrodinger's Cat said:
Let's just say, for example, that a story says that sacrifices were done to the jaguar god in such and such a place, and that they ended a famine. And we FIND that place, it really exists, and sacrifices to the jaguar god really did happen there. Does that mean that the jaguar god is real, and we should all still be doing human sacrifices?
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Agreed, and going one step further: let's say you also prove that there was a famine at the time, and that it ended right after the sacrifices. STILL not proof of a Jaguar God.
 
Foolmewunz said:
... It seems that the bible is to be taken literally when it is convenient to take it literally and to be reinterpreted when it has inconvenient little mismatches.
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
 
But Noah isn't even an abbreviation of Utnapishtim!
Plagiarism, I tell you, plagiarism of the most basic kind... (being in the first chapter) and changing the names because it's hard to pronounce.
 
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