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Noah's Ark found?

Radrook said:
Here is an article dealing with the size and estimated number of animals required on board.

Was Noah's Ark BIG ENOUGH?
http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/sizeark.html
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1. Every animal would need feeding. Not only during the flood but afterwards until plants can grow again. However there is no space for food.

2. Then how do we go from having only a few species of dog to many species of dog? Evolution?

3. They did not carry any plants. So most plant life would be extinct. Some might grow from seeds. But then trees can take years to grow back. Tough luck on any animal that depends on trees.

4. The ark would be much bigger than any wooden ship ever built. There would be reasons why wooden ships would not be this big.

5. Who is going to look after all the animals?

6. Who is going to sail the ark?
 
lionking said:
Er, it was there to start with?
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Haven't been here for very long. In his current crusade he is posing as a sciency ID-ist. (He acted surprised when it was pointed out to him that ID is creotardism in disguise.)

Now, if he wants to play the "alternate science" game, he should keep it in the narrow gaps that he still has available (big-bang, origins of life), and not trump obvious facts, like there isn't enough water on Earth for a global flood.
 
Zep said:
The fundies have been "finding" the ark on Mt Ararat for decades now. Funnily enough, whenever they are short of a bit of ready cash in the coffers, suddenly...! One of them finds "evidence" of the ark.

The next step will be to solicit funds from their gullible sheeple for yet another "scientific expedition" by their leadership to Turkey to follow up on this momentous find. That they happen to have to go there via some of the best tourist destinations in Europe - Greek islands, Turkish Adriatic coast, etc - staying at the best resorts, is entirely irrelevant. ;) :)

L. Ron Hubbard showed them the way in milking the flock...
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Well, if they did find something there resembling an ark the explanation would probably be that it was someone trying to escape a local flood. You know, the story about the Meditertaenian rushing into the black sea.
 
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Radrook said:
Well, if they did find something there resembling an ark the explanation would probably be that it it
was smeone trying to escape a local flood.
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... Or an online flood of flies gathering in a fetid face hole, like in another thread :)

GOTCHA !!!

;)
 
rjh01 said:
1. Every animal would need feeding. Not only during the flood but afterwards until plants can grow again. However there is no space for food.

2. Then how do we go from having only a few species of dog to many species of dog? Evolution?

3. They did not carry any plants. So most plant life would be extinct. Some might grow from seeds. But then trees can take years to grow back. Tough luck on any animal that depends on trees.

4. The ark would be much bigger than any wooden ship ever built. There would be reasons why wooden ships would not be this big.

5. Who is going to look after all the animals?

6. Who is going to sail the ark?
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Good questions!
 
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Madouc said:
From the Press Conference:



So nothing to suggest that the structure is a boat, other than the walls seem a bit inclined.

I watched the last two videos from the website - the "Ararat Expedition" clip is just dramatic music playing over a 'hiking on snowy mountain' montage, while the "Wooden Structure" clip has the researchers entering the space and knocking on the sides saying "this is wood". Which is apparently all that's required to establish that it's the Ark of legend.

The saddest thing is, this might actually have been quite an interesting find if it were in the hands of competent archaeologists.
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Is the correct answer!
 
Radrook said:
Well, if they did find something there resembling an ark the explanation would probably be that it was someone trying to escape a local flood. You know, the story about the Meditertaenian rushing into the black sea.
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Pop quiz, hotshot.

How much water would it take to cover the earth to the altitude where these "discoveries" are being made?

While your'e at it, do olive trees have the ability to spontaneously germinate and bear fruit after being submerged for "forty days and forty nights?"

How many fossilized Nephilim have been found across the world?
 
Radrook said:
There aren't that many species of dog. Well let's see:

African wild dog? Fox? Coyote?

Apart from those all the other dogs are the same species. Including the wolf and the dingo. The reason the domesticated dog looks so diiffereent is man's meddling with his genetics. But it remains one species.
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Impossible. Otherwise you must accept evolution as a fact.
 
rjh01 said:
Impossible. Otherwise you must accept evolution as a fact.
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I don't reject diversification via speciation if that's what you are referring to. It happens all the time. Also, please keep in mind that if two animals produce viable offspring they are the same species. If there differences are too significant then the offspring will be sterile. Domesticated dogs can all interbreed. So speciation has not yet occured among them.
 
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I think 'The Flood' probably did happen, but not like the literalists, who believe that the water covered the highest peaks.
There are probably lots of places that are under water now that wouldn't have been several thousand years ago, and the sea level has risen 120m since the last ice age, which makes the rise predicted from global warming seem pitiful. I think what happened is that there was a large plain that was near or below sea level, and locked off from the ocean when the ocean broke through, whilst it also happened to be raining an awful lot. the flooding from the ocean would have flooded the plain, making it seem like there was an endless expanse of water. the rain would have increased the water level there as well a little bit, resulting in a drop of the water level when it stopped raining, which might have 'beached' the arc, and eventually leading it to be on dry land. the 'Mount Ararat' might have been a nearby hill or mountain that became visible after the clouds cleared.
when this happened, who knows, but it could have happened several times, resulting in the flood stories all around the globe.
 
SOdhner said:
"Noah's Ark" sillyness aside, this is pretty cool. It's a fairly large structure very high up. I'm reading the more in-depth account on the group's page (loads VERY slowly) and it's a really cool find.
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What annoys me is that these fools are blundering around on this truly interesting find, and no doubt manipulating it to suit their preconceived beliefs.

Surprisingly few people seem to have ANY idea of the timber dimensions needed in the structural elements of a wooden vessel this size. As the whole planet is supposed to have been submerged, this needed to be a sea-going ship, not just a barge. However, even in a barge, for this size of a vessel, a huge keel and rib structure is needed to withstand the pressure from the water. Those beams they show us would break like matches. You can't just build a huge box and float it; it wouldn't even be able to withstand the pressures from its own weight, let alone from a cargo. And I'm not even mentioning the beating of the waves in a planet-wide open sea!

They have found the remains of some kind of building complex. I sincerely hope some qualified and unbiased archaeologists will be allowed to examine it!

Hans
 
John Albert said:
That wood is in surprisingly good condition, considering the thing has supposedly been weathering the elements for 4800-odd years.
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Well, if it has been lodged in ice, at high altitude conditions, it is possible that it could be that well-preserved. There are wood timbers inside some of the pyramids, and they are almost as good as new.

But they have a catch 22 on the dating: Either they trust current dating methods, in which case we can easily prove that the flood never happend, or they don't, in which case all they have is some timbers of indeterminat age.

Hans
 
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