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Noah Ark and Math

The Atheist said:
Oh, for god's sake!

Noah's bleeding Ark, AGAIN!

Look, it's diabolically simple. He's bloody god, alright? If he can make a entire universe, what's shrinking the animals down a few sizes? God waited until he had the animals queued up, shrunk everything to the size of mice and they all trotted in the ark, growing back to normal size when they beached on Ararat.
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And you know something? If that was the claim, then it wouldn't be much of an issue. Most people would just blow it off as silly mythology.

However, it's the CREATIONISTS who are the ones who insist that they can explain it without God. They know they have to, because otherwise they would have to admit that it is non-scientific. Therefore, they twist themselves backwards trying to figure out how many kinds there are and how big the boat has to be.
 
jesus_freak said:
there are over 250 flood stories so whats your point? I think that means that there was a flood. And I am sure that you think they are all mistaken.
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There have been lots of floods. LOTS. We had one here several years ago that was pretty extensive. I'm sure if we had lived in ancient times and had never travelled further than we could see, we would have imagined that the whole world had flooded over.

You have to take these stories in the context of the time in which they were written. These people didn't know that the world was so large that 40 days and nights of rain couldn't possibly cover it all. They also didn't know that there were so many different kinds of animals in the world. They didn't even know about the different parts of the world where these animals lived. Or about fresh-water fish and salt-water fish (and mammals) and the fact that neither could have lived in the mixture that would have resulted from the massive rains they talked about.

Given all of those facts, it's easy to see how the parables were written in each of the different mythologies. What's not easy to see is why anybody would still believe them to this day, knowing what we know now.
 
I wonder, if Noah had cryogenically frozen DNA samples of every species on earth....and the machinery to keep them frozen...and incubators to start the species again after the flood....would he have been able to fit all that on the ark? (That is, along with food for he and his family for a year.)
 
Miss Anthrope said:
33 consecutive days is the current record for Seattle. Just a week shy, nothing close to a global flood, eh?
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33! I was being a smart ass. I know when I visited my brother there it was always raining. That's a lot of water, I wonder why we weren't all drowned?
 
The Atheist said:
Psssh. 40's nothing.

A few winters back we had rain on 89 of 92 days (1 July - 30 Sept) and nobody got flooded.
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Well, guys, to be fair to the Biblical account, it says not only that it rained for 40 days/nights, but that the "waters of the deep" were opened up; one of the more popular Christian theories is that vast subterranean reservoirs of water came gushing up, which actually accounted for the majority of the flood waters (as far as I'm aware, this has not happened in Seattle, although it can appear like it at times!).

To the logical mind, this still doesn't really make sense...but again, there's no need for any of this to be logical. After all -- god could simply have caused extra water to miraculously appear, and then miraculously gotten rid of that same water afterwards.

This is the truly wonderful thing about Christianity (and most other religions) -- it doesn't have to make sense to believe it!! If you run into any problems in explaining something, you can always rely on god's omnipotence to provide an easy way out.
 
J. Arthur Hastur said:
I'm listening. The fact is that the Epic of Gilgamesh told the story of a flood, a man named Utnapishtim, that gathered up the world's animals and saved them and was rewarded with immortality by the gods. The Epic of Gilgamesh predates Judaism by nearly a thousand years.

The flood story originates in the Epic of Atrahasis, which is older still than the Epic of Gilgamesh. It is also interesting the the Sumerian 'Genesis' tale mirrors the Judeo-Christian 'Genesis'.

It looks like god plagiarized?
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No. The devil pre-planted these stories, knowing God would get around to inspiring the Bible thousands of years later, and crafted the stories such that it only seems like the Bible is a derivative variation.
 
jesus_freak said:
there are over 250 flood stories so whats your point? I think that means that there was a flood. And I am sure that you think they are all mistaken.
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OF course there were floods! There were many floods causing many cases of starvation, drowning, disease, and what not. That's why people tried to write up stories to cover the remnants of old floods floating around in verbal history, long after any reasonable account had evaporated due to the passage of time.

There was no global flood at any time. We know this from geological evidence -- there would be a sediment layer all over the Earth with the same kind of stuff in it.
 
jesus_freak said:
Boy that is quit the statement, so what, I think that anyone who looks around and thinks that this whole world is like it is by chance is mistaken\(notice how I left the name calling out)Now on to Noah's ark. Oh never mind it's not like any of you would even listen anyway.
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Really...people who's argument is I am right and everyone else is stupid is in fact stupid themselves in my book...making you one of the stupidest people that I have ever had the misfortune of conversating with.
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Heh.
 
Nah, no intentions of setting the bar that high. Just an observation which amused me.
 
Don’t tell me bout da rabbits

All the biblical literalists go on about the animals; the B I B L E asserts that the entire Earth surface was destroyed, what about the plants?
There are millions of different species of plants, only a small fraction grows in the middle east, what about the rest of them?
How did the orchids of the Borneo jungle make it to the Fertile Crescent, the potato, the strawberry?
 
kedo1981 said:
Don’t tell me bout da rabbits

All the biblical literalists go on about the animals; the B I B L E asserts that the entire Earth surface was destroyed, what about the plants?
There are millions of different species of plants, only a small fraction grows in the middle east, what about the rest of them?
How did the orchids of the Borneo jungle make it to the Fertile Crescent, the potato, the strawberry?
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They were carried by swallows?
 
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