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Noah Ark and Math

there are over 250 flood stories so whats your point? I think that means that there was a flood.

There are also over 250 Sherlock Holmes stories. Does that mean that Sherlock was real, too?

For that matter, there are over 250 Star Trek stories, too.

Of course, the statement "there was a flood" is also pretty conclusively true. Much of my town was flooded a few winters ago -- I've even lived through a flood. By the time I finish telling my grandchildren about it, it will probably end up covering the entire world. The question isn't whether or not there was a flood, but whether or not there was a global flood as described in the Bible. I see no reason that that particular story should be given any more credence than The City on the Edge of Forever or The Dancing Men.
 
There are also over 250 Sherlock Holmes stories. Does that mean that Sherlock was real, too?

For that matter, there are over 250 Star Trek stories, too.

Of course, the statement "there was a flood" is also pretty conclusively true. Much of my town was flooded a few winters ago -- I've even lived through a flood. By the time I finish telling my grandchildren about it, it will probably end up covering the entire world. The question isn't whether or not there was a flood, but whether or not there was a global flood as described in the Bible. I see no reason that that particular story should be given any more credence than The City on the Edge of Forever or The Dancing Men.
If there is overwellming evidence supporting Sherlock Holmes existed then I would have to say probably.
 
there are over 250 flood stories so whats your point? I think that means that there was a flood. And I am sure that you think they are all mistaken.


The obvious lack of critical thinking in the above statement is nothing short of astounding. Here is a person who thinks a multitude of flood stories scattered across centuries is indicative of a global flood described in a popular religious myth. The fact that there are numerous floods every year in all parts of the world, and that such a common occurrence centuries ago might very well be perceived by the locals (who had very little knowledge of geography or the size of the earth) as the watery end of the world is totally ignored.

The "what's you point" comment was particularly funny, given the context.
 
If there is overwellming evidence supporting Sherlock Holmes existed then I would have to say probably.

Well, there's more evidence for the existence of Sherlock Holmes than there is for Jesus, or for the Biblical flood.
 
Ouch. I wouldn't refer to that again if I were you, because it's gibberish. Aside from elementary mistakes in mathematics, such as confusing area with volume (length times width time height gives you the VOLUME of the Ark, which is measured in CUBIC feet), and not taking into account the possibility that things might be stacked above the gunwales on the upper deck....

Compounding the area vs. volume error, it also multiplies the (cubic) cubits measurement by 2.25 to get the (cubic) feet measurement, where it should multiply by 2.25^3, or 11.390625, which would lead to a volume of over 5,125,000 cubic feet.
 
there are over 250 flood stories so whats your point? I think that means that there was a flood. And I am sure that you think they are all mistaken.

People who live near water have flood stories in their mythology. But the Noah story hinges on a GLOBAL flood! In this myth the world was a ball of water! That is ridiculous. People who believe this myth as fact can no longer be called ignorant - they must now be seen as 'stupid'.
 
Objections like "there wouldn't have been enough food" and "where did all the new species come from" seem reasonable from a rational, logical viewpoint...but if one believes in an omnipotent god, then they have no substance whatsoever. After all, god could have A) miraculously created food as it was needed, or B) caused the animals not to need food. And after the animals left the ark, god could have caused them to split into different species supernaturally (no need for evolution).

Some other points here, for those who seem to insist on relying on things like "reason" and "intellect" in considering this story -- the flood lasted for 40 days, but Noah and his family did not set foot on dry ground for much longer after that. Most people think the Bible says they were only in the ark for 40 days, but actually if you read the account carefully, Noah and his family spent almost a year in the ark. Consider the above-mentioned problems in that context, and it quickly becomes apparent that brains and rational thinking have no place whatsoever in a discussion like this.

It simply happened. Any problems/contradictions/impossibilities that you may encounter in considering this story are rendered meaningless by god's omnipotent ability to do whatever he wants to do. You don't like that? Take it up with god.

Sad, really, that god created us with brains to reason these things out, then turns around and renders logic virtually useless.

;):D
 
People who live near water have flood stories in their mythology. But the Noah story hinges on a GLOBAL flood! In this myth the world was a ball of water! That is ridiculous. People who believe this myth as fact can no longer be called ignorant - they must now be seen as 'stupid'.
Really...people who's argument is I am right and everyone else is stupid is in fact stupid themselves in my book...making you one of the stupidest people that I have ever had the misfortune of conversating with.
 
Objections like "there wouldn't have been enough food" and "where did all the new species come from" seem reasonable from a rational, logical viewpoint...but if one believes in an omnipotent god, then they have no substance whatsoever. After all, god could have A) miraculously created food as it was needed, or B) caused the animals not to need food. And after the animals left the ark, god could have caused them to split into different species supernaturally (no need for evolution).

Some other points here, for those who seem to insist on relying on things like "reason" and "intellect" in considering this story -- the flood lasted for 40 days, but Noah and his family did not set foot on dry ground for much longer after that. Most people think the Bible says they were only in the ark for 40 days, but actually if you read the account carefully, Noah and his family spent almost a year in the ark. Consider the above-mentioned problems in that context, and it quickly becomes apparent that brains and rational thinking have no place whatsoever in a discussion like this.

It simply happened. Any problems/contradictions/impossibilities that you may encounter in considering this story are rendered meaningless by god's omnipotent ability to do whatever he wants to do. You don't like that? Take it up with god.

Sad, really, that god created us with brains to reason these things out, then turns around and renders logic virtually useless.

;):D

Yeah, it's a bit like arguing the thrust to drag coefficient ratio of Santa's sleigh.:D
 
Really...people who's argument is I am right and everyone else is stupid is in fact stupid themselves in my book...making you one of the stupidest people that I have ever had the misfortune of conversating with.
Hi Pot, this is Kettle... Kettle, Pot....
 
Really...people who's argument is I am right and everyone else is stupid is in fact stupid themselves in my book...making you one of the stupidest people that I have ever had the misfortune of conversating with.


The ONLY reason you believe the Noah story is - it's in the Bible. Because anyone with rational thoughts would see it is a tale which never happened.

- There is NO evidence for a universal flood.
- 8 people living with 2 (or 7) of every species - for an entire year (!) - in a vessel 600 feet long is just insane.
- The food needed to feed these animals (for a year) would take several more boats.
- Don't forget specialty foods (Eucalyptus for Koalas, fresh fish for penguins, etc) (BTW - how did Noah round up penguins?)
- Don't forget the dinosaurs. (Since Xians believe in the world depicted in The Flintstones - dinosaurs would have to be saved too.)
- A deluge which would bring the water levels above Mt Everest (5.1 miles) in 40 days would sink a modern day aircraft carrier. But we are expected to believe Noah built a wooden ark which withstood it.
- Don't forget fish (Fish would never survive the deluge, so Noah must've had an aquarium onboard.)


It's like the Santa story....

How many presents can fit in the sleigh? Could he visit every house in the world on just one night?

If you have a thinking brain and still can't see past this myth - there is something terribly wrong. And it's called Xianity.
 
Oh, for god's sake!

Noah's bleeding Ark, AGAIN!

Look, it's diabolically simple. He's bloody god, alright? If he can make a entire universe, what's shrinking the animals down a few sizes? God waited until he had the animals queued up, shrunk everything to the size of mice and they all trotted in the ark, growing back to normal size when they beached on Ararat.

Besides which, I saw a tv "documentary" which proved that the Ark was TRUE! :p
 
Really...people who's argument is I am right and everyone else is stupid is in fact stupid themselves in my book...making you one of the stupidest people that I have ever had the misfortune of conversating with.

You do realize that this is precisely your tactic, right?
 
Really...people who's argument is I am right and everyone else is stupid is in fact stupid themselves in my book...making you one of the stupidest people that I have ever had the misfortune of conversating with.

Or, to translate into human:

A Religious Fanatic said:
I am right because the bible says so. I am a weak excuse for a human who cannot live without the crutch of a sky-daddy who looks after me when the going gets tough. I am a self-deluded feeb.

Go away, you pathetic little boy.
 
Oh, for god's sake!

Noah's bleeding Ark, AGAIN!

Look, it's diabolically simple. He's bloody god, alright? If he can make a entire universe, what's shrinking the animals down a few sizes? God waited until he had the animals queued up, shrunk everything to the size of mice and they all trotted in the ark, growing back to normal size when they beached on Ararat.

Besides which, I saw a tv "documentary" which proved that the Ark was TRUE! :p

Gotta love the 'History' Channel :D
 

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