no serial numbers were identified from flight 77

[A W Smith]

let it go on the record that Roger Misner has conceded that the main landing gear wheel found in the pentagon wreckage fits no other plane than a 757

 

[ULTIMA1]

let it go on the record that Roger Misner has conceded that the main landing gear wheel found in the pentagon wreckage fits no other plane than a 757

Now your next post must show verifiable evidence and official report that the wheel is from AA77 or you concede it is not.

 

[A W Smith]

Now your next post must show verifiable evidence or official repot that the wheel is form AA77 or you concedes it is not.

The remains of the passengers and crew of AA77 were found inside the Pentagon.

Sorry but passenger remains have nothing to do with the wheel being from AA77.

that model wheel appears on 1049 other 757's and only 757's. The DNA of the passengers are specific to this single 757, flight number 77 which departed 70 minutes earlier. The passenger DNA specifically links THAT particular wheel that they took off with at Dulles to flight 77

QED the wheel is from flight 77

 

[BigAl]

Never mind

 

[ULTIMA1]

Let it go on record that A W Smith concedes that the wheel is not from AA77.

He cannot show actual evidence or official report that the wheel came from AA77.

 

[A W Smith]

Let it be shown that A W Smith concedes that the wheel is not from AA77.

I just proved that it did belong to flight 77

 

[ULTIMA1]

I just proved that it did belong to flight 77

NO you did not. You did not show any actual evidence or official report that shows the wheel came from AA77.

 

[Jackanory]

I was just about to post the same for you.

My post was serious Roger. It was directed at the MODS for the MODS. It was not a lame attempt at a childish tell taleing. Your posts need to be moderated. This thread proves without a doubt that you are here to stare up trouble without attempting to supply any evidence to support one claim that you have made. You have, in the past hour, blatently lied about what you have been saying. You were caught out lieing and you tried to derail.

 

[BigAl]

NO you did not. You did not show any actual evidence or official report that shows the wheel came from AA77.

Book: _Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11_
150 interviews with participants and eye-witnesses

 

[ULTIMA1]

Book: _Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11_
150 interviews with participants and eye-witnesses

A book title is not evidence. Fail, please try again.

 

[A W Smith]

NO you did not. You did not show any actual evidence or official report that shows the wheel came from AA77.

The wheel fits nothing other than a 757. The DNA of the passengers that took off with that particular wheel under them show up at the same crash scene. Along with flight recorders and the easily identifiable skin of an American Airlines 757. The burden of proof is on you to show otherwise Roger.

 

[lapman]

NO you did not. You did not show any actual evidence or official report that shows the wheel came from AA77.

Yet you have provided no evidence or especially official reports to support all of your contentions. Since the wheel had nothing to do with what caused the crash, it would not be in any official report. Please provide us with any official documentation from a terrorist caused crash that the listed all serial numbers.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Since the wheel had nothing to do with what caused the crash, it would not be in any official report.

Wrong, yes it would still be looked up to match it to a plane.

 

[lapman]

Wrong, yes it would still be looked up to match it to a plane.

False. Since there was no other evidence that would support another aircraft hitting the Pentagon, there would be no need. Where is your evidence to support your contention?

 

[BirdyBuddy]

Please help me understand your fixation about this wheel.
By your repeated demands, it seems to me your premise is that because of this wheel alone, the plane cannot be identified to your satisfaction. Your accepted identification would be via serial numbers, which you acknowledge exist, but are currently restricted:

...YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE REASON WE CANNOT GET THE SERIAL NUMBERS THROUGH FOIA REQUEST IS THAT THE SERIAL NUMBERS ARE BEING USED IN THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION TO ID THE PLANES.

I have been stating that serial numbers must be used to ID the planes. But we cannot obtain the serial numbers trhough FOIA request because they are being used in the investigation...

Because "we", the general public, do not have access to these documents, how does that invalidate identification of the plane? Just because "we" don't have access to them, does that mean they were not used in the investigation? There are more ways to positively identify a plane than just a wheel...

Please no, don't go on and say "list them" or other nonsense. You need to move on from this and argue from evidence we DO have access to.

Oh, and please let me remind you:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Please help me understand your fixation about this wheel.

Becasue believers are always insulting me and demanding that i show evidence to support what i post. But when i ask them to post evidence to what they post they always come up with a excuse that they do not have to.

By your repeated demands, it seems to me your premise is that because of this wheel alone, the plane cannot be identified to your satisfaction. Your accepted identification would be via serial numbers, which you acknowledge exist, but are currently restricted:

Well beleivers also keep stating that there were lots of parts found at the scene, but if there were they would have been IDed.

Because "we", the general public, do not have access to these documents, how does that invalidate identification of the plane? There are more parts with serial numbers on a plane than just a wheel...

But that what FOIA request are for to get these and other documents.

Well if there were more parts the believers can still not come up with any evidence or reports of more parts at the scene.

 

[BigAl]

A book title is not evidence. Fail, please try again.

But the contents of the 400+ pages and pictures it is.

What is your definition of "evidence" for the purposes of JREF?

If you pick "3", then you've rejected evidence for the Moussaoui trial not a single thing you have cited would qualify by your own definition.

Evidence -noun

1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.
3. Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses, records, documents, or objects.

 

[Seymour Butz]

Would wheels even HAVE a serial number, or just a part number?

If not, then a positive id relies on something else.

 

[BigAl]

Then show this so called evidence i asked for or concede you are a liar.

I've read the book. You can too.

 

[A W Smith]

Well I'm not sorry really. Just a figure of speech.

demanding that i show evidence to support what i post.

Sorry, Your assertion your burden. That's just the way it goes.