no serial numbers were identified from flight 77

[beachnut]

The irony post of 16 May, 2009; explains or shows why someone has major logical issues with serial numbers.

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Well i am not a kid, i have education, background and intelligence to know when things are not correct. I also do not go just by what i have been told by the media or others.

He does not go by what the media tells him. He take what the media tells him makes it dumber; he posts the dumbed-down version with his own dumbed down conclusions take from what the media told him. Or worse.

According to Defenselink.mil the FBI only spent 5 days working the crime scene at the Pentagon.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44840
WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 – The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.

FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them.


http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/n0..._200109266.html
WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.

The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon. MDW will oversee ongoing security operations around the damaged area of the building. FBI investigators will move their operations to the Pentagon's north parking lot and continue to sift through debris for more evidence.

As you might expect one picture debunks a thousand NSA agent posts.

More 9/11 images of FBI agents at the scene taken by Mr. Garcia:

And of couse our NSA agent is superb at quibbling after messing up.

Great pics.

But picking up stuff is only a small part of the crime scene investigation.

The official crime scene investigation started on Sept 21 after the rescue and recovery.

He debunked himself in that thread; it is funny but he keep telling his delusion after he messed up and refuted himself.

ULTIMA1 was found to lack knowledge on that topic he can't refute 77 impacting the Pentagon. He can't state what hit the Pentagon due to lack of knowledge. He is disrespectful to those who died by making up false information and not using evidence even the NSA can get. The NSA will be upset if he was an agent; but he is not because NSA personnel all know COMSEC rules and he does not.

Like his failure on the FBI 5 day junk ideas he was spinning which never meant anything; he is unable to comprehend his own posts which debunk him on serial numbers.

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A 12/16/2007 public correspondence e-mail inquiry of the NTSB posed the following question:

"Will the NTSB refer to recovered aircraft component serial number data, to determine the positive ID of an aircraft following a mishap, in the absence of other identifying data?"

The following e-mail response was provided by a Susan Stevenson of the NTSB on 12/26/2007:

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon." ...

ULTIMA1 posted this tripe and it shows

NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent.

Which was true on 911. We knew which planes were missing and where they were on 911 without one serial numbers and ULTIMA1 posted proof we do not need serial number when we know the identity.

Any question that ULTIMA1 has refuted, debunked and pretty much closed this case but he does not know it?

The big problem is ULTIMA1 does not understand this after he posted it.
Either he failed to read it.
He failed to understand the meaning.
Or he want to spread lies about 911.

 

[doobiedoright]

http://www.airdisaster.com/investigations/af296/af296.shtml
It is not unprecedented where Flight Data Recorders have been switched/planted. The Institute of Police Forensic Evidence and Criminology have determined that the FDR recovered from the crash of Air France 296 is "either... not... the DFDR of the crashed Airbus A320 on the photograph... or the DFDR presented at the trial is NOT the one from the crashed Airbus A320."




http://www.911blogger.com/node/13149
The FBI's refusal to release the serial number data contained by aircraft components collected from the 9/11 plane crash scenes has resulted in a civil lawsuit filed in federal court, seeking to obtain this information:

Per U.S. Code of Federal Regulations, all federally registered civil aircraft are to contain uniquely numbered components:

However, the FBI and now the FAA, has refused to reveal aircraft component serial number data in their possessions, that would confirm the alleged federal registry identifications of the commercial civil aircraft said to have been used to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

By document labeled "Remarks of Carol Carmody Vice-Chairman, National Transportation Safety Board Leadership in Times of Crisis Seminar", it is indicated that the director of the FBI requested that the NTSB "help identify aircraft parts" belonging to the said aircraft.

By document labeled "Testimony of Marion C. Blakey, Chairman National Transportation Safety Board before the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation United States Senate", it is indicated that the NTSB assisted the FBI with the process of "aircraft parts identification" regarding the said aircraft.

A 12/16/2007 public correspondence e-mail inquiry of the NTSB posed the following question:

"Will the NTSB refer to recovered aircraft component serial number data, to determine the positive ID of an aircraft following a mishap, in the absence of other identifying data?"

The following e-mail response was provided by a Susan Stevenson of the NTSB on 12/26/2007:

"Yes. NTSB investigators rarely encounter a scenario when the identification of an accident aircraft is not apparent. But during those occasions, investigators will record serial numbers of major components, and then contact the manufacturer of those components in an attempt to determine what aircraft the component was installed upon."

The above cited method of identification was apparently required to obtain the positive identifications of American Airlines flight 11 and United Airlines flight 175, which crashed into the World Trade Center towers.

By FAA documents identified as "Summary of Air Traffic Hijack Events", pages 4 and 13, it is indicated that American Airlines flight 11 (N334AA) and United Airlines flight 175 (N612UA) were not transmitting proper transponder identification data at the time of their respective destructions and that therefore, proper aircraft identification cannot have been obtained from this absent or erroneous data.

By documents labeled "NOTES TO CHAPTER 1", page 456, of the "Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States" (2004), it is indicated that "the CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175 were not found" and that therefore, proper aircraft identification cannot have been obtained from this absent data.

Funny this thread is about flt77 and I see nothing there about flt77.
Care to point it out to me roger?

 

[doobiedoright]

How many times must i repeat, that if i took you to court now and ask for evidence to support the official story you would lose the case.

Go for it roger.I would love for you to take me to court over this!
Cant wait for the depo!

 

[bje]

Back in July 2008, Ultima1 stated for all to see:

"The FBI has parts and debris from the plane that hit the Pentagon."

What plane hit the Pentagon, Ultima1?

 

[TJM]

Back in July 2008, Ultima1 stated for all to see:



What plane hit the Pentagon, Ultima1?

He's over there in the corner, holding his breath like a tit until somebody says there's no serial numbers. Don't feed the troll on this one. I know, I've tried.

 

[jhunter1163]

I don't begrudge Greening or anyone else for admitting an error. It's more a sign of credibility than damaging. I'm much more suspicious of those who believe they are always right or have some special claim to the truth.

Ultima:

It's a rare day that I agree with RedIbis on anything, but he makes an excellent point here. There's nothing wrong with admitting a mistake. Everyone makes them. We don't think less of you because of a mistake; it's the stubbornly refusing to admit it that drags you down in the eyes of the forumites.

 

[bje]

He's over there in the corner, holding his breath like a tit until somebody says there's no serial numbers. Don't feed the troll on this one. I know, I've tried.

Don't worry, I nailed U1 on this a year ago. He has no place to hide.

 

[JimBenArm]

Look, I told you all before. I went and looked at all the pieces taken from the scene. All the serial numbers had been scratched out, and alien symbols had been written in Sharpie over them. They looked exactly like the symbols on all the parts I saw at Area 51.

The DNA was from people who had been taken during the alien investigations in the 60's and 70's, or from those who we had used anal probes on in the 80's. We were tired of trying to store all of it, so we used it to add confusion.

The FBI you saw there was actually the Florence Bigfoot Impressionists, a travelling group that plant phony Bigfoot evidence to hide the real Bigfoot from scientists, so they won't go trapping them. The Federal Bureau of Investigations didn't arrive until days later, and by then the first FBI had scattered all the parts around to disguise the alien spacecraft so no one would know what really happened.

Don't you remember?

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Look, I told you all before. I went and looked at all the pieces taken from the scene. All the serial numbers had been scratched out, and alien symbols had been written in Sharpie over them. They looked exactly like the symbols on all the parts I saw at Area 51.

The DNA was from people who had been taken during the alien investigations in the 60's and 70's, or from those who we had used anal probes on in the 80's. We were tired of trying to store all of it, so we used it to add confusion.

The FBI you saw there was actually the Florence Bigfoot Impressionists, a travelling group that plant phony Bigfoot evidence to hide the real Bigfoot from scientists, so they won't go trapping them. The Federal Bureau of Investigations didn't arrive until days later, and by then the first FBI had scattered all the parts around to disguise the alien spacecraft so no one would know what really happened.

Don't you remember?

And frighteningly enough, that's a more coherent narrative than what some others have presented.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Why are you denying the evidence I presented here? Why can't you be mature enough to admit that I presented real evidence?

 

[NobbyNobbs]

So the Pentagon is really just one big crop circle.....yes, I see, it's all beginning to make sense now.......

 

[ULTIMA1]

We knew which planes were missing and where they were on 911 without one serial numbers and ULTIMA1 posted proof we do not need serial number when we know the identity..

Gee, you really embarrassing yourself as an investigator.

For a criminal investigation serial numbers are used to verify the ID of a plane that cannot be verified by the transponder data or FDR.

Since they have not found 2 of the FDRs then serial numbers must be used to ID the planes.

Since transponder data was lost on AA77 then serial numbers must be used to ID the plane.

IF YOU HAD ANY KNOWLEDGE OF AIRCRAFT INVESTIGATIONS YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE REASON WE CANNOT GET THE SERIAL NUMBERS THROUGH FOIA REQUEST IS THAT THE SERIAL NUMBERS ARE BEING USED IN THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION TO ID THE PLANES.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Go for it roger.I would love for you to take me to court over this!
Cant wait for the depo!

You would lose since you have no hard evidence or reports to support the official story.

Most of the evidence and reports have not been released.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Back in July 2008, Ultima1 stated for all to see:



What plane hit the Pentagon, Ultima1?

Already been answered on other thread.

 

[A W Smith]

Still waiting for the believers to be mature enough to admit they have no evidence that the wheel matches AA77.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0290.shtml

 

[Grizzly Bear]

You would lose since you have no hard evidence or reports to support the official story.

Then what does the evidence suggest ULTIMA? You've been ranting for more than 30 pages that the lack of a serial number means there's not sufficient evidence to ID the plane. What -- other than reason to doubt the offeicial events -- are you suggesting the plane debris and other materials found indicate? Some other plane? UFO's? Big foot?

 

[ULTIMA1]

He's over there in the corner, holding his breath like a tit until somebody says there's no serial numbers. Don't feed the troll on this one. I know, I've tried.

Don't worry, I nailed U1 on this a year ago. He has no place to hide.

Wrong agiain.

The reason we cannot get serial numbers through FOIA request is that the serial numbers are being used in the investigation.

 

[ULTIMA1]

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0290.shtml

Wrong, no actual evidence the wheel is from AA77.

The wheel can fit other planes.

 

[Jackanory]

Gee, you really embarrassing yourself as an investigator.

For a criminal investigation serial numbers are used to verify the ID of a plane that cannot be verified by the transponder data or FDR.

Since they have not found 2 of the FDRs then serial numbers must be used to ID the planes.

Since transponder data was lost on AA77 then serial numbers must be used to ID the plane.

IF YOU HAD ANY KNOWLEDGE OF AIRCRAFT INVESTIGATIONS YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE REASON WE CANNOT GET THE SERIAL NUMBERS THROUGH FOIA REQUEST IS THAT THE SERIAL NUMBERS ARE BEING USED IN THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION TO ID THE PLANES.

Yet another post from Roger by Roger that refutes Roger - Classic stuff

 

[A W Smith]

Wrong, no actual evidence the wheel is from AA77.

The wheel can fit other planes.

what other planes? what model? Go on.