Niels Harrit's Peers are Nutjob Nobodies

[Ivan Kminek]

Interesting.
The first person interviewed, Jan Utzon, is the son of the architect of the world-famous Sydney Opera House, Jørn Utzon, and himself an accomplished architect with projects all over the world. He is a signer of Gage's petition, and Gage net him when he was on a promo trip to Australia. He is featured in Gage's current "Experts Speak Out" video.


ETA: More trivia on Danish trutherdom:

About a month ago I downloaded all "Other Supporters" signatures of Gage's petition, and did a statistic on which countris and US states they came from.

Turns out that Denmark, among all non-English speaking countries, is pretty much the leading Twoof nation, with 11.8 signers per 1 million inhabitants. Only three tiny nations, Faroe Islands (2 signatures from a total population of 48,000), Iceland (20 per million) and Greenland (1 signer out of 56,750 total population) rank higher, with Greenland being an autonomous country within the Kingdom of Denmark, so that's more or less Danish, too.

For comparision, the next non-English speaking countries are The Netherland (8.1 per million), Sweden (6.7), Finland (6.1), Belgium (5.4) and Norway (5.0). Then comes the Czech Republic (4.9). Germany is in upper mid-field with 2.2.

So Gage's cult reigns (relatively) strong in Scandinavia and the Low Countries.

(English-speaking countries: USA 37.3, Canada 26.5, New Zealand 24.3, Australia 11.1, Ireland 10.0, United Kingdom 8.5, South Africa 0.5)

Hehe, interesting statistics, Oystein It seems that we Czechs are not the best ones in assesing the construction/behavior of skyscrapers, e.g. under air attack. But it does not matter/no wonder, since we have no skyscrapers in the Czech Republic
But I think that our Czech truthers on the specialized web are generally well-educated, polite and capable to shift their opinions somehow (e.g. in the "case" of nanothermite).

 

[Orphia Nay]

An entrance ticket for all three days of the conference costs 975 Danish kroner. The ticket provides admission to all of the lectures.

According to Google, thats $165 USD.

$165 a ticket x 100 people = US$16,500.

I wonder how much the speakers were paid.

ETA: Nothing. From the website:

A number of highly-esteemed lecturers will be providing their services free of charge. These include Barrie Trower, Bill Still, Birgitta Jonsdottir, Carsten Vagn-Hansen, Desireé Röver, Frank Rasmussen, Ian Crane, Niels Harrit, Rasmus Foldbjerg, Terry Boardman and Vithus Hartz.

 

[Josarhus]

$165 a ticket x 100 people = US$16,500.

I wonder how much the speakers were paid.

ETA: Nothing. From the website:

That contradicts earlier statements from the organizers. In the beginning when there were too little interest, they said that they had to cancel, if people didn’t sign up, because the speakers had to be paid in advance.

Many ended up with cheaper tickets and within the last month, one day tickets were also sold at lower prices.

 

[Orphia Nay]

That contradicts earlier statements from the organizers. In the beginning when there were too little interest, they said that they had to cancel, if people didn’t sign up, because the speakers had to be paid in advance.

Many ended up with cheaper tickets and within the last month, one day tickets were also sold at lower prices.

In my OP (29 June 2012) I quoted the same thing as above - that the speakers were appearing without being paid.

However, I can well believe they may have demanded payment at a later stage, or the organisers may have lied about needing to pay the speakers.

 

[Oystein]

Travel expenses, food, lodging?

 

[Orphia Nay]

Travel expenses, food, lodging?

Good points, Oystein. I didn't think of that.

Those would take a sizeable chunk out of the conference takings.

 

[AsbjornAndersen]

Interesting.
ETA: More trivia on Danish trutherdom:

About a month ago I downloaded all "Other Supporters" signatures of Gage's petition, and did a statistic on which countris and US states they came from.

Turns out that Denmark, among all non-English speaking countries, is pretty much the leading Twoof nation, with 11.8 signers per 1 million inhabitants. Only three tiny nations, Faroe Islands (2 signatures from a total population of 48,000), Iceland (20 per million) and Greenland (1 signer out of 56,750 total population) rank higher, with Greenland being an autonomous country within the Kingdom of Denmark, so that's more or less Danish, too.

For comparision, the next non-English speaking countries are The Netherland (8.1 per million), Sweden (6.7), Finland (6.1), Belgium (5.4) and Norway (5.0). Then comes the Czech Republic (4.9). Germany is in upper mid-field with 2.2.

So Gage's cult reigns (relatively) strong in Scandinavia and the Low Countries.)

LOL - have you seen the YT-video that tries to implicate the Danish prime minister as well? Twoofers are funny... And now I have to see that "documentary", just to see Harrit make an ass of himself (yet again)
I have talked to danes who seriously believe themselves to be considered "dangerous", because they "ask questions" about WTC7. Typically people with no academic background but who have read a Griffin-book and seen a YT-movie.

 

[AsbjornAndersen]

That was indeed moronic - thankfully it was rather short. I like that Harrit acknowledges the effort that is needed to do a controlled demolition - that this would have been done months in advance, and then sees no problem in *anyone* pulling that off (as long as it's not Bin Laden & Co.).
It's also quite pathetic to hear a Dane explain what it means to be a New Yorker.

 

[Oystein]

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It's also quite pathetic to hear a Dane explain what it means to be a New Yorker.

Population of Denmark: 5.5 million
Population of New York City: 8.2 million
Ratio Denmark:NYC: 0.67:1

Land area of Denmark: 43,094 km²Land area of NYC: 1,213 km²Ratio Denmark:NYC: 35:1

Population density of Denmark: 128/km²Population density of NYC: 6760/km²Ratio Denmark:NYC: 1:53



I think a Dane can't fully comprehend that

 

[AsbjornAndersen]

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I think a Dane can't fully comprehend that

On top of that, assuming the guy has only lived in Copenhagen - that's just around 549.000 people

 

[Justin39640]

On top of that, assuming the guy has only lived in Copenhagen - that's just around 549.000 people

Every second or third car around here had this sticker shortly after the attacks:

Me thinks your Dane has no clue what the attitude in this area of the world was or is. I have run into truthers here though (to be fair). But overwhelmingly, we wanted Al Qaeda blood.

 

[AsbjornAndersen]

Me thinks your Dane has no clue what the attitude in this area of the world was or is. I have run into truthers here though (to be fair). But overwhelmingly, we wanted Al Qaeda blood.

My thoughts exactly But what really stood out to me, was his claim that "New Yorkers lost their identity". That's mighty bold coming from a twentysomething Danish self-proclaimed artist, who most likely haven't lived in the city for that long

 

[rjh01]

Just had a look at who the speakers were. None were very impressive.

 

[Starving for Truth]

More ad hominem attacks against Dr. Harrit

He and his fellows try to spread truth which is otherwise ignored by big media. The open mind conference 2012 was the key event to understanding 9/11, paranormal activity and chemtrails.

 

[Mark F]

More ad hominem attacks against Dr. Harrit

He and his fellows try to spread truth which is otherwise ignored by big media. The open mind conference 2012 was the key event to understanding 9/11.

Truth eh? I refer you to the following discussions regarding the poor quality of Dr. Harrit's "research".

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231441
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140017
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187515

 

[Oystein]

More ad hominem attacks against Dr. Harrit

He and his fellows try to spread truth ...

While I agree that rjh01's post was ad hominem (permissible under the JREF rules however), it takes utmost generosity to also admit that Harrit perhaps tries to spread truth about 9/11.

The bad news is: However hard he may try, he fails to spread truth, and instead spreads falsehoods.

Point in case: The 2009 paper "Active Thermitic Material found...". The falsehoods start with the very first words after the title. These words are:

"Niels H. Harrit, ..."​

Why is even his name on the first page a falsehood? Because by putting him in first place among nine authors, it is to be understood that Harrit is the lead author of the paper. That impression is FALSE, and it is deliberately FALSE. The thermite-theory is fundamentally and originally Jones's, who also did some of the experiments, and most of the experimental work was done by Farrer. I have it on good authority from at least two sources that Harrit played no major role at all in compiling this paper: The hypothesis is not his, the experiments are not his, the discussion is not his, the conclusions are not his. At most, he may have made a suggestion here or there.

So the fraud of the Harrit saga begins with the moment his name is even mentioned!


We have shown with abundant clarity in this forum that every conclusion and argument made by Harrit and his collaborators is false and soundly and conclusively disproven by their own data.

Studies have been undertaken since theirs that confirm the falsehood of the conclusions. Harrit misrepresents these studies, as he mirepresents all the criticism brought forward against "his" paper - well at least to the extent that he even acknowledges the existence of such criticism, which he tries hard not to.


So, I can't prove that he has been spreading lies consciously for all these years and still is, and maybe he really thinks that his falsehoods are truths. If so, he is seriously deluded. The fact of the matter remains: Harrit spreads falsehoods about 9/11.

 

[rjh01]

Yes, with qualifications like what Oystein and Mark F has just mentioned people like Dr. Harrit should not even be invited to speak at conferences.

 

[beachnut]

More ad hominem attacks against Dr. Harrit

He and his fellows try to spread truth which is otherwise ignored by big media. The open mind conference 2012 was the key event to understanding 9/11, paranormal activity and chemtrails.

Chemtrails? Harrit is nuts. You provided the evidence. Good job.

Is an open mind like an open marriage; Your wife leaves you for something better, your mind leaves you when you start to spread lies?

Harrit is a nut. It is not an attack, it is the truth.

You like people who spread lies. How does that fit with the prime directive?

 

[rjh01]

While I agree that rjh01's post was ad hominem (permissible under the JREF rules however), it takes utmost generosity to also admit that Harrit perhaps tries to spread truth about 9/11.

The bad news is: However hard he may try, he fails to spread truth, and instead spreads falsehoods.
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Actually I do not think what I said was an ad hominem based on this page http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adhomine.html

A: The main thing to keep in mind is the distinction between argumentation and testimony. The whole point of logic is to develop techniques for evaluating the cogency of arguments independently of the arguer's identity. So, ask the question: is the person being criticized arguing or testifying? Are reasons being presented, or must we take the person's word for something? If the person is arguing, the argument should be evaluated on its own merits; if testifying, then credibility is important.

Harrit is trying to say 'here are the facts'. Both you and I have said people cannot rely on the 'facts' as stated by Harrit. So by the definition above what I have said is not an ad hominem. If it is then so is your post.

 

[BStrong]

More ad hominem attacks against Dr. Harrit

He and his fellows try to spread truth which is otherwise ignored by big media. The open mind conference 2012 was the key event to understanding 9/11, paranormal activity and chemtrails.

If you're "starving for truth" no wonder - you won't find very much in the 9/11, chemtrail and paranormal crowd.