Nick Berg photos

a_unique_person said:


Every day extra in Iraq, the more dangerous the place becomes. When Berg realised he had to get out for his own safety, he tried to. When he was released back onto the streets, his life was in danger every minute. Normally, a consulate or embassy will help ensure the safety of citizens in such a situation.

I don't defend his captors at all, but you try to look after your own, don't you?

I saw on the news, can't remember which one exactly, that apparently the FBI offered to help him with safe passage out of Iraq and he refused. So if it is true then they did try and help him.


I am so pissed of at this act that I don't even know how to express my thoughts properly.
 
Roadtoad said:
I refuse to watch the video, and turn this man into an object of morbid amusement. Ditto the photos. (No, Mycroft, I know you weren't doing that, but some have done so.)

I want to know more about what Bush could and should have done. If George W. and his staff allowed this to happen when it could have been prevented, he might as well start packing. Come January, he'll be leaving.

The way I think this will play out is that the FBI was trying to get Berg out of the country and he ignored the FBI. The Iraqi police picked him up because he had a Jewish last name and an Israeli stamp on his passport. Did the Jewish last name play a part in being selected for beheading? Probably more than the "prisoner abuse" story that is dominating the news right now did. But, hey, it's just a guess...
 
DavidJames said:
:) Ok, that is one wacky site and I withdraw my question. I should have qualified my question to include something like 25 otherwise normal or reasonable or rational people or something like that. Extremists can be found on any position and silly me, didn't account for them....a broad brush stroke which I don't think hit's the mark, but....

nevermind :)

Gotta love those wackos! :D
 
LFTKBS said:


It's not quite fitting in with my mood, no.

A corporate symbol urging you to drink the drug of coffee, it's wonderfully, cynically appropriate.
 
Wikipedia already has an entry on Nick Berg:

Nick Berg

Berg graduated from West Chester Henderson High School in 1996 and attended four universities: Cornell, Drexel, the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Oklahoma. He once traveled to Ghana to help a village, by among other things teaching villagers how to make bricks. He returned in an emaciated state because he gave away most of his food and clothes.
 
Mycroft said:
Wikipedia already has an entry on Nick Berg:

Nick Berg


Mycroft,

Wikipedia also says this about Berg's killing:
The act was condemned by many Muslim leaders as contrary to Islamic law and harmful to their cause

Okay! My faith and hope in the basic humanity of Arabs is redeemed!! Um,..er...just one question: What leaders? I started a thread because I could not find any....nor have any other JREFers posted any....so I have to wonder where Wikipedia is getting their info?

-z
 
I can, sometimes, understand that people from other cultures think in a different way.

Sam Hamod, however, was born and raised in the US of A:

We must also ask the question intelligence agencies use, "Who would most benefit from this act?" In this case, if not Israel, then Bush and America to take the heat off of America for the brutality of the torture in Iraq and Guantanamo. This terrible act also took a lot of pressure off the U.S. Thus, it is also possible, since the killers were hooded, and thus we can't know who they were, that it could have been American counter-insurgency agents, CIA or mercenaries who did this heinous at a time when the glare of anger toward the U.S. was growing in the world. I don't know that this is true, but having worked in intelligence situations, I know it has been done in the past.
http://www.todaysalternativenews.com/
 
As if this story could not get more odd, the news wires are reporting that Berg was investigated after 9/11 because his email account was used by Zacarias Moussaoui . . .

Official word seems to be that the email use was inadvertant or a mistake on Berg's part, but you've got his email being used by an Al Queda operative here, then he's captured in Iraq by yet another high-ranking Al Queda member . . .

WTH?!

I am drawing no conclusions until we have more facts, but that is very, very odd.
 
Two updates from the radio today:

1. The password thing is now believed to be purely coincidental. Personally, I'd like to see it myself. "BritneyIsSmokin" is one thing to accidentally duplicate; "jf23isf908f23x" or "alquaedarulz!!!" are not. I'm (cynically) waiting for some idiot to suggest he went to the other side and deliberately suicided this way to help the cause.


2. One big leader the US is currently battling (name?) in some city is claiming (incredibly) that that film is faked.
 
Originally posted by rikzilla
Mycroft,

Wikipedia also says this about Berg's killing:


Okay! My faith and hope in the basic humanity of Arabs is redeemed!! Um,..er...just one question: What leaders? I started a thread because I could not find any....nor have any other JREFers posted any....so I have to wonder where Wikipedia is getting their info?

-z

Well, you know that Wikipedia entries are user contributions. Sometimes when the subject is controversial, they have "edit wars" where people keep changing the articles to reflect one viewpoint or another.

In this case, the article has grown quite a bit since I posted the link, though I do believe the line about condemnation by Arab leaders was there when I posted the link.

I've heard that Hamas condemned the beheading, but I haven't yet been able to find the exact phrasing they used.
 
Bjorn said:
I can, sometimes, understand that people from other cultures think in a different way.

Sam Hamod, however, was born and raised in the US of A:

http://www.todaysalternativenews.com/

Well, if you do a google search on Sam Hamod, this viewpoint doesn't seem surprising. Sure, he was born in the USA, but there are plenty within the USA who express all sorts of opinions, rational or not.

Overall, it's standard conspiracy theory thinking. Anything that makes the US look bad or evil can be accepted without question, but anything that makes anyone else look bad or evil can be placed back on the US just by asking, who benefits from this?
 
Something is puzzling me here, obviously being in the UK we're probably not as well informed on this issue as our American friends. There have been reports from American officials that he was never in custody. Yet Nick Berg appears to be wearing the orange overalls that I tend to associate with people in US prisons.
Does anyone know if they were work overalls? Or were the terrorists that executed him somehow trying to be ironic by putting him in what appeared to be US prisoner orange overalls?
 
curious said:
Here's an article with a some condemnation quotes from Hamas, Hezbollah...
Hamas condeming a beheading when they actively send women and children suicide bombers into civilian restaurants and buses... priceless hypocrisy...what's next the Hezbollah opening a daycare... ;)
 
zenith-nadir said:
Hamas condeming a beheading when they actively send women and children suicide bombers into civilian restaurants and buses... priceless hypocrisy...what's next the Hezbollah opening a daycare... ;)
Rikzilla asked for examples of Arab/Muslim leaders who had condemned the beheading.

Curious posted some.

If they are interpreted as 'priceless hypocrisy', why ask for them in the first place? :(
 
zenith-nadir said:
...what's next the Hezbollah opening a daycare... ;)

Well, as a matter of fact:

Today, Hezbollah is an active participant in the political life and processes of Lebanon, and its scope of operation is far beyond its initial militant one. In 1992, it participated in elections for the first time, winning 12 out of 128 seats in parliament. It won 10 seats in 1996, and now holds 8. Since the end of the Israeli occupation of Lebanon on May 24 2001, the Hezbollah has been involved in activities like building schools, clinics, hospitals and other needed services for their society.

From: 216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:xn1nW9dr7osJ:encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Hezbollah+hezbollah%2Bschools&hl=en

I guess if they build schools, clinics and hospitals (albeit with Iranian money) there may be a daycare center or two. ;)

You're slipping, my friendly adversary--that was much too easy. :p
 

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