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New video of David Chandler: rockets at the World Trade Center

Oh TDN, you are so naive....

The WTC was DESIGNED by the Bin Laden family to be demolished should such a contingency ever arise.

Its all here on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_3ScRx9gvc

Thanks interesting video.

I did not know about this guy.

Laffoley worked for 18 months on design for the World Trade Center Tower II (floors 15 to 45) with Emery Roth & Sons under the direction of architect Minoru Yamasaki.
 
*locks up her bag of troll food so she won't be tempted to use it*
 
Where ?


Makes no difference where it originated.


I didn't. It's "a" fit. Not a bad fit over the full trace duration.


Low order poly fit could certainly mask moments of variation in acceleration, sure.

In the first page of the thread you linked to you said..."The object simply appears to have an earlier descent start time as far as I can see, but I'll do the trace regardless." I was saying that this descent time would have had to have been 4-5 seconds earlier in order to see the kind separation that is observed. Right I understand it was a fit to the data points given, but just looking at them it certainly looks like there are some instances of above g acceleration, in less I am not understanding things correctly. Again, you really do a lot of great work and it is appreciated.
 
In the first page of the thread you linked to you said..."The object simply appears to have an earlier descent start time as far as I can see, but I'll do the trace regardless." I was saying that this descent time would have had to have been 4-5 seconds earlier in order to see the kind separation that is observed.
Okay, though I've not looked in detail at where it may have originated. I'd imagine around the impact zone. It may not be a descent time separation thing at all, as the object may have been impacted by other debris within the dust cloud and helped on it's way. There's unlikely to be any way to determine one or t'other.
 
@ Mikillini, NoahFence, TsuDhoNimh, Animal, Dash80, GlennB, ElMondoHummus:

Could you please pause for a moment and think if you are discussing the topic of this thread ("rockets at the WTC", i.o. the allegation that a particular piece of free-falling debris was propelled by whatever), or if you are not rather feeding a troll by replying to his derail? Thanks!

Replying to any of these absurd theories is 'feeding the troll'. You chose to do it in a more gentlemanly manner, that's all.
 
Actually, there is a way for this thing to have suddenly accelerated downward, even over-g, without violating any physics. If it has any significant horizontal velocity, it could convert some horizontal velocity into vertical velocity by essentially changing Angle of Attack due to rotation.

A tilted piece, flying horizontally while rotating, will go from positive AoA (lift force) to negative AoA (downward force) as it rotates.

Does anyone know from what location this video was taken? ESB?
 
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Of all the possibilities posted, I'm 100% sure rockets aren't it.

I'm with Femr on this - it was struck by another piece of debris and its speed increased because of it.
 
[Could you please pause for a moment and think if you are discussing the topic of this thread ("rockets at the WTC", i.o. the allegation that a particular piece of free-falling debris was propelled by whatever), or if you are not rather feeding a troll by replying to his derail? Thanks!

In the same way someone said, if that was a rocket with the propellant plume perpendicular to the direction of flight, it would have to be spinning wildly, If you temporarily posit that yes, it was propelled by something other than the simple physics of an elastic collision in which the heavy object keeps on moving at the same speed, while the light object moves off at twice the heavy body's speed** - the next question is how did the whatever get there? Assuming the means and motive, was there opportunity?

I'm trying to figure out how they got the whatever into or onto the columns. The likelihood that it was propelled decreases as the difficulty of installing adequate whatever for propulsion increases.

If the building was rigged during construction, there is always the risk of the whatever going stale and either not igniting as expected or becoming unstable and self-igniting. As well, with remodeling that was done between tenants, the risk of the whatever being discovered or accidentally damaged increases with time.

So it had to have been done post-construction, which leads to "what would it take" to remove any column and replace it with the "rocket column " filled with whatever without being seen. And when could/would it have been done?

The logistics of replacing the column are sufficiently complex and noisy that it's extremely unlikely to retrofit columns filled with whatever into the building.

** I've seen the same "leading object" in rockfalls where there was no whatever to propel the rocks. After a collision with a ledge, the cloud of dust coming down the cliff is preceded by a rock or several.
 
I think that the theory that the acceleration is related to aerodynamic forces is likely a valid one. The rotation of the part seems to match the periodicity of the acceleration. And the coincidence of the smoke trail starting at the same time that the part starts to accelerate is explained by the sudden airflow across the top surface of the plate as the AoA goes negative.

Dozens of other parts trailing smoke. Will Chandler or others start timing all of them? Will he (they) conclude that the ones that are always sub-G are "natural" free falls, but the couple that turn out to be momentarily super-G are rocket propelled??

Have we really gotten into a "let's track every toothpick, not only where it landed on the floor, but also its trajectory & speed as it fell" in order to figure out that the box was knocked off the table?

All in all, I see zero point in wasting any more time on this matter.
 
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I thought there would be answer like this, so take a look at this nice little chart I put together.
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Ummm. *You* put together?

You're now The Engineering Toolbox?

Or are you using some private definition of "putting together" where it means copy and pasting without attribution and the claiming credit for the work?
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Ummm. *You* put together?

You're now The Engineering Toolbox?

Or are you using some private definition of "putting together" where it means copy and pasting without attribution and the claiming credit for the work?
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Yeah i explained what i meant in a subsequent post. I was having trouble getting it in a somewhat readable format for the thread. I simply meant put together for this site. My words were indeed in error and I should not have said it like that.
 
Okay, though I've not looked in detail at where it may have originated. I'd imagine around the impact zone. It may not be a descent time separation thing at all, as the object may have been impacted by other debris within the dust cloud and helped on it's way. There's unlikely to be any way to determine one or t'other.

Do you really believe the object coming in contact with other debris would speed it up? What type of scenario do you envision this happening?
 
... The fact that the unit continued to accelerate close to freefall thereafter is an indication of an ongoing thrust capable of largely canceling the effect of air resistance."
I love how there is no math to show how much such a massive object would be slowed by air; lol, a physics teacher who does not do physics, he spreads lies and delusions. Watched the video again and saved it, in case David wakes up and discovers reality.
How can David produce this failed nonsense? What a waste.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvw0_i1rGns&feature=player_embedded
Rockets at the World Trade Center, wow...

This is literal, visible proof of explosive materials painted onto perimeter wall units.
... more like posted proof of a stupid claim.

10 years of failed claims backed with delusional nonsense, how will 911 truth top this insanity?
 
Do you really believe the object coming in contact with other debris would speed it up? What type of scenario do you envision this happening?
Light object meets heavy object. In a collision between two objects, the same amount of energy will be imparted to both, and will be converted to velocity, in some direction (depending on the initial vectors of the objects). A given amount of energy will result in a high speed for a light object, and a low speed for a heavy object. Of course, in a real life chaotic event, there will also be rotation. Take something rotating, e.g. a fan, drop some peanuts on it, and see what happens.

- All simple physics. You should read up on it some day. (Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your civil tone, but I hope you understand that it is somewhat offset by your asking questions that can be answered by primary school physics. ;) )

Hans
 
I think it's entirely fitting that:

1) David Chandler is a self-appointed 'expert' speaking for the 9/11 'Truth' movement
2) Marokkaan believes every word Chandler utters

You couldn't ask for a better demonstration of what is fundamentally wrong with 9/11 Truth. No further comment necessary.

I covered the 'rockets' in my two 'disrespectful debunking, not rebuttal' videos a while back. Yes, that's a friendly reference to Chris Mohr....




Are you kidding? Air theory? What a load of nonsense.
 

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