Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?

[Tomtomkent]

Tomtomkent, don't forget I often hear voices who tell me to "kill myself" (the voices seem to believe that I "kill people" by sending out telepathic waves).

What the "voices" tell you is as far as I can tell unrelated to the accusation you appear to make against doctors.

<snip> Until now, I have not died yet, but, if badly "treated", I could really die from an accumulation of problems and difficulties, including possibly toxic pseudo-medications,

So you are medically qualified to decide which treatments you will require and their validity?

and the depressive effect of hearing lies, more or less mixed with aggressivity. <snip>

All the more reason to seek help.

It is interesting and curious that one of the "voices" I hear compared herself to the Nazis, after she said she wanted to "eliminate" me. Political movements change, perception of what is "politically correct" changes, but people don't change a lot after 80 years.

Less curious if the voice was indeed an internal not external construct.

 

[Michel H]

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Did you try what I suggested: try to broadcast the thought of a phone number, with a cash inducement for the first caller?
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This test sounds much more complicated (with success more difficult to achieve) than broadcasting a single digit, equal to 1, 2, 3 or 4, and repeating it many times, and asking people to guess it on a forum.

 

[Tomtomkent]

This test sounds much more complicated and difficult to achieve than broadcasting a single digit, equal to 1, 2, 3 or 4, and repeating it many times, and asking people to guess it on a forum.

Why is it more difficult? Is there a bandwidth limit to your thoughts?

And unfortunately complication may be required for meaningful results.

 

[TheSapient]

So many doctors on this thread giving advice. Have any of them even done any research?

Here is a simple example of research: The symptom is ”hearing voices". Plug those two words into google and see what comes up. When I did this search, the first result was http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/help-information/mental-health-a-z/H/hearing-voices/

This is an easy read and certainly puts a stopper in the woo-woo being espoused by the so called "doctors" offering advice here.

Many people have recommended Michel see a doctor. This is quite different than these people claiming to be doctors. I have no idea how to explain the difference to someone who doesn't immediately understand the difference. I guess I can't help you there.

I'd suggest that a library might be a good place for you to improve reading comprehensions, but you'd think I was claiming to be a library.

 

[TheSapient]

Why is it more difficult? Is there a bandwidth limit to your thoughts?

And unfortunately complication may be required for meaningful results.

It is far more difficult. Michel's protocols require that he look at the number guessed and remove all but the results he wants, giving him a 100% success rate. He knows that no one is going to randomly guess a phone number.

 

[Dan O.]

Many people have recommended Michel see a doctor. This is quite different than these people claiming to be doctors. I have no idea how to explain the difference to someone who doesn't immediately understand the difference. I guess I can't help you there.

I'd suggest that a library might be a good place for you to improve reading comprehensions, but you'd think I was claiming to be a library.

There is no need to help me. I accomplishes what I intended.

 

[bruto]

There is no need to help me. I accomplishes what I intended.

I guess we'll have to take your word for that, since it's not very clear what that was.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Then what are they all doing making their diagnosis via the Internet? I note the exception in your case.

Have you looked at the link I posted?

I have, People are suggesting what could be the source of the voices he's hearing, granted some have extended that into suggesting he seek psychiatric help, I still don't see anyone making a direct diagnosis.

I ask you this, If I told you I was hearing voices in my head what would be your first reaction?

 

[Dan O.]

I ask you this, If I told you I was hearing voices in my head what would be your first reaction?

It would of course depend on the context and the details. Generally, I wouldn't expect that I would react much differently than I have already demonstrated with Michel. That someone is hearing voices is no reason to discontinue social interaction with them.

Now, if you were to say you never here such voices, I would ask: How can you be sure?

 

[dafydd]

dafydd, I am already receiving quite a few words in my head, often unpleasant, so I am not very keen on trying to perceive words from you (although it cannot be ruled out). Besides, I have not "heard" a word recently from an unusual voice, about which I might think it is your "telepathic voice".

Sigh.

 

[dafydd]

I accomplishes what I intended.

Are you related to Popeye? What did you intend? To tell porkies about us claiming to be doctors?

 

[Nay_Sayer]

It would of course depend on the context and the details. Generally, I wouldn't expect that I would react much differently than I have already demonstrated with Michel. That someone is hearing voices is no reason to discontinue social interaction with them.

Now, if you were to say you never here such voices, I would ask: How can you be sure?

I'd say I've never heard disembodied voices in my life.

From the start of this I asked Michel very respectfully how he has ruled out a mental disorder for the voices he hears (He did answer this). Others are simply expressing worry over someone who is hearing a voice telling him to harm himself.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Are you related to Popeye? What did you intend? To tell porkies about us claiming to be doctors?

I think he was referring to the posts telling Michel he should get help, but these are not diagnoses. Just as me telling someone they should not smoke is not the same as me saying "You have stage 2 lung cancer from smoking".

 

[dafydd]

I think he was referring to the posts telling Michel he should get help, but these are not diagnoses. Just as me telling someone they should not smoke is not the same as me saying "You have stage 2 lung cancer from smoking".

There were no diagnoses. We know that and so does Don O. I'm not even sure if Michael is telling the truth about the voices.

 

[TheSapient]

I guess we'll have to take your word for that, since it's not very clear what that was.

I believe he was hoping someone would respond to him. People did. Troll successful.

 

[AdMan]

I believe he was hoping someone would respond to him. People did. Troll successful.

Yes.

There is no need to help me. I accomplishes what I intended.

I never understand how some people can derive satisfaction from that, but apparently they can.

 

[Michel H]

So many doctors on this thread giving advice. Have any of them even done any research?

Here is a simple example of research: The symptom is ”hearing voices". Plug those two words into google and see what comes up. When I did this search, the first result was http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/help-information/mental-health-a-z/H/hearing-voices/

This is an easy read and certainly puts a stopper in the woo-woo being espoused by the so called "doctors" offering advice here.

Thank you for this link, Dan. It says:

It is also common for people to hear voices as if they are thoughts entering their mind from somewhere outside themselves. This is not the same as a suddenly inspired idea, which people usually recognise as coming from themselves. These thoughts are not their own and would seem to come from outside their own consciousness, like telepathy.
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Hallucination or human experience?

Hearing voices can be a very disturbing experience, both for the person who hears voices and family and friends. Until recently voices were regarded as a symptom of a mental illness and not talked about because of fear of stigma.
Hearing voices are still considered by psychiatry as an auditory hallucination and as a symptom of conditions such as schizophrenic disorders, manic depression and psychosis. The orthodox treatment is with major tranquillisers. These do not get rid of the voices.In the past mental health professionals were taught not to let voice hearers talk about their voices as this was thought to be colluding with the person’s delusions and not helpful. Most often professionals sought to distract the voice hearer from their voices.
Research has shown that many people hear voices, and some cope well with their voices, without psychiatric intervention.
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Practical advice for family, friends and mental health workersTo assist voice hearers, mental health professionals need to find out which frames of reference and coping strategies seem to be the most useful to the voice hearer. By doing so voice hearers can be supported more effectively in their attempts to deal with their experiences. Self-determination and self-knowledge are the key.
Accept the voice hearer’s experience of the voices. ...

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Thank you for this link, Dan. It says:

It is also common for people to hear voices as if they are thoughts entering their mind from somewhere outside themselves. This is not the same as a suddenly inspired idea, which people usually recognise as coming from themselves. These thoughts are not their own and would seem to come from outside their own consciousness, like telepathy.

You could also have highlighted different parts of the text. For example:

It is also common for people to hear voices as if they are thoughts entering their mind from somewhere outside themselves. This is not the same as a suddenly inspired idea, which people usually recognise as coming from themselves. These thoughts are not their own and would seem to come from outside their own consciousness, like telepathy.

The text does not say that telepathy is real. Telepathy has never been shown to be real.

 

[dafydd]

It is far more difficult. Michel's protocols require that he look at the number guessed and remove all but the results he wants, giving him a 100% success rate. He knows that no one is going to randomly guess a phone number.

Or guess the word that I have been broadcasting. Conclusion: Telepathy is a bust.

 

[Dan O.]

Thank you for this link, Dan. It says:

You're welcome, I thought it would be usefull.

And pay no mind to the creatures under the bridge that call those walking above them in the daylight trolls.