Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?

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Dan O. said:
Michel, do you think that you could develop a test for telepathy that was falsifiable? Would you as a scientist be able to accept the result of that test even if it contradicted your current belief?
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I already suggested a possible test earlier in this thread, which could be played around with a little which would, I think, satisfy both sides of the fence. Michel refused to even comment on it (or missed my post), even though it only included his beloved numbers 1 - 4.

If you simply want to stick to the numbers 1 - 4, here is another option. Find somebody you trust not to attempt to fudge the answers.

You go into one room with a RNG, and generate a number between 1 and 4, write it down, and mentally project this number to your trusted friend for 60 seconds. After sixty seconds, he writes the number down.

Repeat 50 times, then compare answers. See what % of hits you get with exact correlation on both your lists. The whole thing will take less than an hour, and you probably need one other person in each room to ensure that there is no cheating, or hidden communication devices.

Let us know the result.
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You could cut it to 30 minutes by projecting the number for 30 seconds instead of 60. I think half an hour rather than spending days/weeks posting on a forum where every third person lives in a different time zone would be far more productive. Especially when no less that three tests have failed to give evidence of anything at all.

Dan, or Michel, would either of you care to comment on this proposed protocol, or improve on it, or give reasons why it is not valid?

Norm
 
fromdownunder said:
I already suggested a possible test earlier in this thread, which could be played around with a little which would, I think, satisfy both sides of the fence. Michel refused to even comment on it (or missed my post), even though it only included his beloved numbers 1 - 4.



You could cut it to 30 minutes by projecting the number for 30 seconds instead of 60. I think half an hour rather than spending days/weeks posting on a forum where every third person lives in a different time zone would be far more productive. Especially when no less that three tests have failed to give evidence of anything at all.

Dan, or Michel, would either of you care to comment on this proposed protocol, or improve on it, or give reasons why it is not valid?

Norm
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If the Ganzfeld experimentWP was applicable to Michel's claim he could just use that one which has already had the bugs worked out. He's already tried a similar protocol and found that it wasn't adequate to test what he could do.

Did you read my post about Albert and falsifiability?
 
Michel is not the first person displaying symptoms of schizophrenia to come here and try to prove that those symptoms are evidence of telepathy. I mentioned earlier in the thread the one who tried to incorporate a lie detector into his protocol to prove that everybody who denied being able to hear his thoughts was lying. It's difficult to know what is the best thing to do in such cases, but my opinion based on those previous experiences is that we should advise the poster to seek psychiatric help and not pander to even their less obviously harmful delusions by continuing to engage. That's why I agreed with the above post.

I will accept the judgement of the mods if they decide not to leave this discussion in this thread, but can I suggest it be split to a thread in Forum Management rather than AAH so we can discuss what is the best policy in such circumstances?
 
Dan O. said:
I haven't been in this section of the forum for a some time. Did the rules on civility change while I was gone?
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In the previous test, I did provide an honest answer. It was rejected for no other discernible reason than that it was not the answer that Michel wanted.

In this test, I provided no answer at all, but simply observed. My observation is that Michel will dance through any hoops necessary to eliminate answers which do not agree with his desired result.

My further observation is that Michel is happy and content to accuse all who post the "wrong" result of intentional lying for the sole purpose of confounding his pet theory.

Michel has no recourse to claims of incivility when he is quite liberally spraying accusations of incivility upon all involved. Yet, despite his accusations, this thread has remained mostly civil.
 
abaddon said:
My further observation is that Michel is happy and content to accuse all who post the "wrong" result of intentional lying for the sole purpose of confounding his pet theory.
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Michel has stated on this very thread that anybody who gave a wrong answer is intentionally lying. I think that this says it all.

Norm
 
fromdownunder said:
Michel has stated on this very thread that anybody who gave a wrong answer is intentionally lying. I think that this says it all.

Norm
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And I note his attempts to explain how he reached that conclusion don't include any methodology for reaching the conclusion...
 
Pixel42 said:
Michel is not the first person displaying symptoms of schizophrenia to come here and try to prove that those symptoms are evidence of telepathy. I mentioned earlier in the thread the one who tried to incorporate a lie detector into his protocol to prove that everybody who denied being able to hear his thoughts was lying. It's difficult to know what is the best thing to do in such cases, but my opinion based on those previous experiences is that we should advise the poster to seek psychiatric help and not pander to even their less obviously harmful delusions by continuing to engage. That's why I agreed with the above post.
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Pixel42, I had missed these earlier posts or threads where the OP had recounted similar symptoms or diagnoses, so I wasn't aware of that until much recently. Thank you for bringing that to our attention.

Michel, I'm sure you want to keep on with your telepathy tests, but please also do talk to a medical professional about what you're experiencing with the voices. They may be able help you understand what they are or where they could be coming from.
 
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AdMan said:
Pixel42, I had missed these earlier posts or threads where the OP had recounted such symptoms
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There weren't any, which is why I continued to engage as long as I did. There were hints, but I followed my usual policy of always giving the benefit of the doubt. It was only yesterday, when the OP finally revealed that he had heard voices telling him to kill himself, that I was forced to reconsider.
 
Pixel42 said:
There weren't any, which is why I continued to engage as long as I did. There were hints, but I followed my usual policy of always giving the benefit of the doubt. It was only yesterday, when the OP finally revealed that he had heard voices telling him to kill himself, that I was forced to reconsider.
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I see. Thanks.
 
Pixel42 said:
There weren't any, which is why I continued to engage as long as I did. There were hints, but I followed my usual policy of always giving the benefit of the doubt. It was only yesterday, when the OP finally revealed that he had heard voices telling him to kill himself, that I was forced to reconsider.
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Are these posts still available to be read? I looked for a long time, but maybe not in the right place.
 
Michel H said:
I do repeat the target number from time to time. I also seem to hear some people "in my head" (presumably via telepathy), and I ask them to repeat the number too. In addition, people can use their memory to remember the number, too.
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Ahhh, dude, you're mentally ill.

Please go see a medical doctor and explain to them what you have told us. Youll be happy you did.
 
``Say doc......i been hearing voices in my head. A bunch of people....its all jumbled...but i can repeatedly make out the number 3 being said, more than anything. Do you have any explanation for this?`` Doctor: ``Uhhhhhhh......``(as he quickly signals assistant to bring straight jacket).
 
Michel H said:
I also said that lying is actually allowed in my tests (provided people are not cynical, by providing numerically false answers in serious and friendly-sounding posts). It is my job to try to extract the truth from whatever answer you give...
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Can't you see the problem with this? You are trying to test two separate claims: that everyone can hear your thoughts and that you can tell who is telling the truth about it. But your method can't tell the difference between "cynical" people who can hear you and "serious and friendly" people who can't.

The truth of course is that nobody can hear you. Belief that people hear your thoughts is a symptom of blah, blah, blah you know all this already. Michel, you are hearing voices which are suggesting you kill yourself. Go to your doctor and tell him or her that. Please.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Well, you might have to choose whichever you think appropriate if you can find any mention in that thread of the OP declaring he hears voices telling him to kill himself.

He does say he hears voices, and he says they are often "hostile". I believe that's as far as it goes.
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Perhaps I can help a little here. In my first thread on this forum, on June 21, 2012, I wrote:
Michel H said:
Pixel42, I cannot do such a test with people I (apparently) hear in my head because I don't know who these people are. In addition, if I knew the names and locations of these persons (if they really do exist), they would probably not agree to do a telepathy test with me (or not do it well) because they know that telepathically whispering "Kill yourself!" (in French), like they often do, is wrong and they would probably be afraid of getting caught. ...
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