Merged New telepathy test: which number did I write ?

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Michel H said:
By the way, one of the things you might perhaps usefully talk about with a mental health specialist is your extreme and almost pathological aggressivity. Tell him/her that the one towards whom this aggressivity is directed doesn't like it.
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Why would you advise someone to talk to a mental health specialist because of an "extreme and almost pathological aggressivity",
when you refuse to speak to a mental health specialist because you believe that everyone in the world can hear your thoughts, and lies about it when you ask?
sort it out...
 
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p0lka said:
Why would you advise someone to talk to a mental health specialist because of an "extreme and almost pathological aggressivity",
when you refuse to speak to a mental health specialist because you believe that everyone in the world can hear your thoughts, and lies about it when you ask?
sort that **** out.
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I don't refuse to speak to a mental health specialist. This is the psychiatrist I had a long discussion with in September of last year (2015):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfXO4_Zab6E
 
Michel H said:
Then I suggest you explain quietly to your GP the nature of this thread, show him/her some typical posts, and ask what he/she thinks, and whether it might be a good idea to go a little further, by visiting a psychiatrist. Perhaps you will be surprised by his/her answer.
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Perhaps the moon is made of green cheese too, but I don't think so. I suggest you take your own advice, and actually go see a real doctor in real time. I doubt anyone will be surprised by the answer except for you.
 
Good grief...
this is probably pointless, but i'll give it a shot.

It is painfully obvious to anyone with half a skeptical brain cell that it is absolutely unproductive for anyone to continue this 'discussion' with Michel, who clearly needs some professional help--help that cannot be provided by this forum thread.

I strongly suspect that the ONLY thing that might have a prayer of convincing Michel that people here actually care is to CEASE all discussion in this thread. Maybe the deafening silence will get through to his overactive brain. With any luck, my post will be the last.

If I see another post materialize after mine (aside from one by Michel), I strongly recommend that you seek professional help, since if you can't comprehend how pointless these posts are, you are equally delusional and incapable of rational thought.

let...this...thread...DIE! :mad:
 
stanfr said:
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If I see another post materialize after mine (aside from one by Michel), I strongly recommend that you seek professional help, since if you can't comprehend how pointless these posts are, you are equally delusional and incapable of rational thought.

let...this...thread...DIE! :mad:
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:thumbsup: :D
 
stanfr said:
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If I see another post materialize after mine (aside from one by Michel), I strongly recommend that you seek professional help, since if you can't comprehend how pointless these posts are, you are equally delusional and incapable of rational thought.

let...this...thread...DIE! :mad:
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You don't decree stuff like this, you try to get agreement on stuff like this.

Clear?
 
stanfr said:
Good grief...
this is probably pointless, but i'll give it a shot.

It is painfully obvious to anyone with half a skeptical brain cell that it is absolutely unproductive for anyone to continue this 'discussion' with Michel, who clearly needs some professional help--help that cannot be provided by this forum thread.

I strongly suspect that the ONLY thing that might have a prayer of convincing Michel that people here actually care is to CEASE all discussion in this thread. Maybe the deafening silence will get through to his overactive brain. With any luck, my post will be the last.

If I see another post materialize after mine (aside from one by Michel), I strongly recommend that you seek professional help, since if you can't comprehend how pointless these posts are, you are equally delusional and incapable of rational thought.

let...this...thread...DIE! :mad:
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hello, I posted after you, are you labelling me?

mighty presumptuous of you.

anyway.
Michel H said:
I don't refuse to speak to a mental health specialist. This is the psychiatrist I had a long discussion with in September of last year (2015):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfXO4_Zab6E
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Ah, ok sorry for saying refusing, I apologise.
keep not refusing, keep talking to the mental health specialists as they might actually be helpful occasionally, bloody annoying sometimes I suspect, but worth listening to at other times :)
 
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p0lka said:
hello, I posted after you, are you labelling me?

mighty presumptuous of you.

anyway.

Ah, ok sorry for saying refusing, I apologise.
keep not refusing, keep talking to the mental health specialists as they might actually be helpful occasionally, bloody annoying sometimes I suspect, but worth listening to at other times :)
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What he was getting at was that the only real help we can give Michel is to simply ignore him, This conversation, IMO, Other furthers and strengthens his delusions.

He see's the thread on the front page as a kind of confirmation to his fantasy.

I can assure you, Your well intentions as earnest as they are will only fall on deaf ears and will be manipulated into the narrative Michel has made for himself.
 
Nay_Sayer said:
What he was getting at was that the only real help we can give Michel is to simply ignore him
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I have said this at multiple points. Unfortunately, no one seems to be in a mood to listen.

Participating in this thread at all, in any capacity, will only harm Michel. This includes attempting to encourage him to seek medical help or otherwise reason with him.

Let this thread die.
 
Nonpareil said:
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Just for once, people, let's let a thread die.
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Nonpareil said:
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I would encourage all members of the forum to let this thread die.
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Nonpareil said:
...participating in this thread in any capacity can only harm him.

Let this thread die.
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Nonpareil said:
I have said this at multiple points. Unfortunately, no one seems to be in a mood to listen.

Participating in this thread at all, in any capacity, will only harm Michel. This includes attempting to encourage him to seek medical help or otherwise reason with him.

Let this thread die.
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And doesn't it concern you, that you are now participating in this thread, again?
 
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Michel H said:
I was briefly (for a few days) hospitalized in a psychiatric hospital because of a physical problem. But, when I explained all the voices in my head, they decided to put me in a mental health unit. There, they tried to convince me to take their psychiatric medications, but I refused (such medications had already damaged my brain before (epilepsy)). I believe psychiatrists are simply incompetent to take care of my telepathy problems. Society does not want to admit my (hypothetical) telepathy because describing me as a mentally ill who must be medicated is more fun and enjoyable, because it helps people feeling important (they like that), and because it is more humiliating for me (they like that to). Admitting that I am telepathic might perhaps make me seem "a little important" in the eyes of some, they hate that terribly much.
Psychiatric drugs are ineffective for telepathy problems, they have not been designed for telepathy, which is a phenomenon which is very poorly understood.
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This seems the best explanation of your intent. However, I don't understand your experiment. Let's go over this logically.

Let's say that you are telepathic. Are you saying that the ability to transmit messages is rare, the ability to receive messages is rare, or both are rare? Presumably it could not be the case that neither are rare since most people here would already be aware of it. And, if receiving messages was not rare then, again, most would already be aware of it and would be agreeing with you. So, at the very least, receiving messages must be rare.

If you believe that you receive messages then presumably they must have an origin. So, someone must be transmitting them. However, unless you've done this with many different sources how would you know if it was rare? Also, even if you were able to receive messages what reason would you have to believe that you could send messages?

Your number matching experiment depends on your ability to transmit and someone's ability to receive. If you don't know if you transmit then how would the experiment work? If receiving is rare then how likely would you be to find someone here to receive it?

But, let's say that you do transmit. Unless you are the only person on Earth who can transmit why wouldn't receivers be getting messages from different sources mixed up? How would someone know that a given message came from you? And, if someone knew definitely that a message did come from you, why would that person need to be tested since they would already know that they were receiving messages from you?

I'll give you an example. Suppose you said to me, I'm going to hold up some fingers and you tell me how many I'm holding up. Okay. But, suppose there were dozens of other people around and they were holding up fingers also. If I mistook someone else for you and stated how many fingers that person was holding up it wouldn't match you even though I could see the fingers just fine. The only way that I could be sure that I was testing how many fingers you were holding up is if I was able to first recognize your face and know that I was looking at you. But, if I was able to see you well enough to recognize your face it would already be a certainty that I could see your fingers plainly as well. In other words, I can't think of any possible way that I could recognize your face but not be able to tell how many fingers you held up.

So, if I could not tell if a given telepathic message was from you then it would be very unlikely to match even if I was able to receive. On the other hand, if I was able to know that a message was from you then receiving would already be established. I can't understand how it would be possible for someone here to receive a message from you without first being able to identify you as the message source. If you believe that you receive messages, are you able to identify the source? If you can't then how would your experiment work?

The real question that others here want to know is how would you be able to tell if you were actually receiving messages from a source outside your brain versus having messages originating inside your brain. In other words, how could you tell the difference between telepathy and hallucination.
 
barehl said:
The real question that others here want to know is how would you be able to tell if you were actually receiving messages from a source outside your brain versus having messages originating inside your brain. In other words, how could you tell the difference between telepathy and hallucination.
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He can't.

No amount of rationality in this thread will ever convince him that he can't.

This thread, and any posts made in it, can only harm Michel, regardless of how well-intentioned they are. He has schizophrenia. Nothing you can say or do here will alter his beliefs in any way.
 
barehl said:
... And, if receiving messages was not rare then, again, most would already be aware of it and would be agreeing with you. So, at the very least, receiving messages must be rare.
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Unfortunately, barehl, telepathy does not seem to be the great kingdom of utmost honesty. So, people may be perceiving many of my thoughts because of an exceptional phenomenon, understand it very well (because they are far from stupid) but at the same time vigorously deny it, often with an aggressivity which is perhaps typical of people who are lying.

Now, one may ask: why me, and not the others (people don't see my face of course, replying to you)? Why am I projecting my thoughts worldwide into the minds of other people, and why is not everybody doing this in a comparable way? I can perhaps answer this question in a very crude way. Perhaps the reason is that (I know this seems ridiculous, but it doesn't matter) I am spiritually superior, and a natural leader of the world, and that spiritually superior people (this actually doesn't mean I am better than anyone else, I am certainly much less strong than Brock Lesnar or Tyson Fury) transmit on, say, a frequency of 120 MHz, while most people transmit on 80 MHz. In this way, normal receiving brains can clearly make the distinction, there is no interference (the actual mechanism is probably more complex).
Also , think about this: if was just an ordinary hallucinating schizophrenic with a sick brain, would this lead to a moderator on this important "rational" forum to say once (in one of my first tests):
Loss Leader said:
I am seeing a 4 very clearly. It's almost as though I had written it myself.
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(and there are quite a few testimonies like this, I shall not repeat them all the time)? This seems very unlikely to me, and to all reasonable people.
 
Nonpareil said:
He can't.

No amount of rationality in this thread will ever convince him that he can't.

This thread, and any posts made in it, can only harm Michel, regardless of how well-intentioned they are. He has schizophrenia. Nothing you can say or do here will alter his beliefs in any way.
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Frankly, Nonpareil, are you really sure it was a good idea to post a 2614th post in this thread? Think about it! (and about the consequences!)
 
Nonpareil said:
He can't.

No amount of rationality in this thread will ever convince him that he can't.

This thread, and any posts made in it, can only harm Michel, regardless of how well-intentioned they are. He has schizophrenia. Nothing you can say or do here will alter his beliefs in any way.
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Yes indeed. Even well intentioned presentations of logic, participation in tests, or attempts to explain the basis for Michel H's beliefs or to urge him to seek professional help will not alter his beliefs in any way, as demonstrated by the entire history of this thread.

Einstein once said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Everyone here should keep that in mind.
 
Giordano said:
Yes indeed. Even well intentioned presentations of logic, participation in tests, or attempts to explain the basis for Michel H's beliefs or to urge him to seek professional help will not alter his beliefs in any way, as demonstrated by the entire history of this thread.
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Have you ever considered yourself a possibility of consulting a professional about this thread?
 
Michel H said:
Have you ever considered yourself a possibility of consulting a professional about this thread?
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Not about this thread in particular. But please note that I am not questioning the validity of your beliefs, only if the approaches some others have taken are likely to change them. I base my opinion on the history of this thread. I really do not think that there is a reason to question your beliefs on this forum, and that perhaps is the point that I was trying to make.

As I have said in the past, I only wish you good fortune and peace of mind!
 
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