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... and here we go again.

However, I believe that Loss Leader was actually largely sincere in his original post, where he also gave the correct number (he gave only one numerical answer, and it was correct).


No, I was not serious. I was joking. This was before I realized how ill you were. I never would have posted if I knew the state of your health. I am very, very sorry for any role I played in aiding your delusion.


You may note that his later posts have been fairly strange, and an objective investigator may ask oneself what may have lead hem to behave in such a bizarre and erratic way.


Actually, an objective investigator would start at the beginning and assess whether you were telepathic. Trying to figure out a reason why someone would lie only makes sense if we know for a fact that it was a lie. So, an objective investigator might ask you to pick a randomly selected word or a five-digit number in a small auditorium, have you write the word, and then have ten volunteers of your choosing attempt to discern it.



I suppose the correct answer to this question is simply the reality of the "Michel H" alleged telepathic phenomenon, whose recognition is facing enormous resistance within Society.


In the three months since your last post, I have conducted two entire trials, several depositions, and written complaints, answers and motions. I have celebrated birthdays and holidays. I have seen my children's concerts. I have taken my mother back and forth to visit my father in the hospital. I have cooked meals. I have gone out to eat. I've seen several Oscar nominated movies.

I did all of this without once thinking about you. I don't care if you're telepathic or not. It changes nothing for me and is utterly meaningless to my life.


(especially on an educational forum whose stated goal is to "moralize" Society)


That is not one of the goals of this forum, stated or unstated. If it has been stated by the forum leadership, please direct me to the appropriate quote.


You cannot find or point out any sarcastic element in these exceptional posts


I certainly can. Note my post:

I am seeing a 4 very clearly. It's almost as though I had written it myself.


I had just written the number 4. I typed it right ther between "a" and "very." When I said it was like I had written it myself, I meant to refer to the fact that I had just written it myself.

That's sarcasm. It was a joke based on the word "seeing." I did see a 4 in that I was staring at it on my computer screen. I did not see it in my mind and choose to type it. I typed it quite randomly and then joked about having typed it.


Asking you, on this forum, for advice on the proper way to conduct a telepathy test, is somewhat like asking Osama bin Laden (if he were still alive) if aircraft carriers are still important for the US military in the 21st century.


Actually, I think a man who successfully repelled the Russians in a protracted war and then orchestrated arguably the most successful single act of war in the 21st century would be an excellent person to ask about how aircraft carriers do or do not fit into the nation's defense. He was a horrible criminal who murdered 3,000 innocent people, but the man knew war.


Frankly, I don't know if I should laugh or cry.


I know which one I'd do.
 
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Unless I am much mistaken, Michel H has admitted to suffering from schizophrenia. He is genuinely mentally ill, not stupid.

Which is why I have refrained from posting in this thread.

Thanks for posting that. I was about to blame it on an ESL problem and explain the nuances of the English language, but now I suspect the problem is deeper than that, and like you, I'll keep out of it.
 
OK, Michel H, I will throw you a bone. I pick 3.

There you go, you can now be selective and decide that one of these was serious and the other two were sarcastic. I can't wait to see your response.

You will certainly decide that one of them was serious, because you have done this before when I posted 4 posts in a row citing 1 - 4 as being correct and you cherry picked the one where I got the correct number.

That really was pretty pathetic.

Norm
 
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Come on Michel H, you now have three data points. Use your brilliance to dismiss two of them, and claim victory.

It's what you do!

Norm
 
Thanks for posting that. I was about to blame it on an ESL problem and explain the nuances of the English language, but now I suspect the problem is deeper than that, and like you, I'll keep out of it.

Yes. I've just done some digging through the rest of the thread to make sure I wasn't mistaken. I'm not.

Michel H suffers from schizophrenia. Aside from the possibility of hearing voices and misinterpreting those as psychic signals (which I vaguely remember him mentioning but can't find again), he genuinely believes that everyone on Earth can hear his thoughts, but lies about being able to do so. It isn't that he doesn't believe people are being sarcastic in supporting him; he literally cannot process that idea.

At one point, Michel's mother apparently played along with his delusions because she was unsure of how to cope with his illness. Unfortunately, this has only further entrenched him in his beliefs. He now thinks that she is lying to him as well, as she reneged on her claim of being able to hear his thoughts - and, at the same time, this is undeniable proof that people can read his mind, because she said so.

He has been prescribed medication for his illness, but I vaguely remember him saying that he is currently refusing to take it, and he is either not attending or not getting any progress out of therapy. In short, he needs help, and isn't getting it.

I'm not posting this to deride Michel. On the contrary, so far as I can see he has actually been extremely polite in all his posts, in contrast to many other posters who post similar things and are extremely arrogant and derisive in doing so. I'm saying this because, again, he needs help, and posting in this thread - even to offer honest commentary on the flaws in his methodology - is not help.

Look. I'm not trying to shame anybody here for posting in this thread. You're responding to an apparent huckster's claims, which is what this place is all about. But Michel is not an idiot. He is not a con man or a deluded child. He is a schizophrenic who needs medication, and I suspect that this thread is just distracting him from any possible help he might be able to find in real life.

Just for once, people, let's let a thread die.
 
Just for once, people, let's let a thread die.
I agree. Even if all the sarcastic posters came back to the thread to confirm what is so obvious to the rest of us (unlikely, as some no longer visit the site at all) Michel would just think they were lying now having told the truth then.

Much as many of us would like to, we cannot help Michel.
 
Hi, I invite you to participate in a simple telepathy test, similar to other tests I have already done on this forum.

At about 9:51 p.m. on this Friday January 23 (Brussels, Belgium time), I wrote carefully one of the three numbers: "1", "2", "3" on my sheet of paper, and I surrounded it with a circle. Then, I wrote it again twice.

I shall repeat this number (which was selected using a random number generator) from time to time during this test.

I ask you to write it here (if you think you know it, even with a doubt).

A comment might also be useful. You may, for example, tell us how confident you are in your answer.

If you feel you don't know my number, I ask you to give a number (equal to 1, or 2, or 3) nevertheless, and I suggest you add a comment to make it clear your number is (probably) not related to telepathy (for example: "I don't know the number you wrote, I just typed the first number that came to my mind", or "I used a random number generator").

Some selected (numerically correct) answers from previous tests:




Also (perhaps) of interest:



Thank you for participating.

(Note for Moderators: In spite of the obvious similarity of this thread to other "number-guessing threads" I have started on this forum, I ask that this thread be not merged with other similar threads. The reason for this is that unmerged threads are more readable; people don't have to search through the thread to find the opening post.)


Oh, boy. Here we go again.

I predict you will once again completely miss the sarcasm in the responses, pick and choose the responses and interpret them to suit your desired results, and once again make up reasons for why you think you "succeeded".

This is getting very tiresome, Michel. Nobody else is buying this. Please seek the medical help you need. This forum isn't it.

Yes, let's let this thread die.
 
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I agree.

How do we get a thread put on moderation?

Perhaps a PM to a Moddy person highlighting the seriousness of Michel's condition?

Either that or I could utter the profanities I used when I saw this thead ressurrected with the same old nonsense.
 
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OK, Michel H, I will throw you a bone. I pick 1.

Norm
OK, Michel H, I will throw you a bone. I pick 2.

Norm
OK, Michel H, I will throw you a bone. I pick 3.

There you go, you can now be selective and decide that one of these was serious and the other two were sarcastic. I can't wait to see your response.

You will certainly decide that one of them was serious, because you have done this before when I posted 4 posts in a row citing 1 - 4 as being correct and you cherry picked the one where I got the correct number.

That really was pretty pathetic.

Norm
Come on Michel H, you now have three data points. Use your brilliance to dismiss two of them, and claim victory.

It's what you do!

Norm
Thank you for this "bone" fromdownunder. When you haven't eaten anything for 6 months, perhaps just a bone may look like a big meal ;)
However, I believe that the quality of your response has now become so low, that, I am afraid, I cannot consider here that you have provided a valid, quality answer, that I can use in my final analysis of the results (even though I acknowledge that one of your three answers is numerically correct). I am more getting an impression here that your goal is to mock me, and my "most careful analyses", and I am not feeling that you are trying to contribute in a meaningful way in a "top quality" scientific experiment.
Can't you provide something better?

In view of the difficulties in getting valid numerical answers for my extra-sensory perception test on this forum (it was easier a few years back, I guess, but I like to obtain sustained results, not just one or two-shot things), I have actually started this test (with the same target number) on two other "forums": one is Yahoo Answers, and the other one is Spiritualforums.com. My question on Yahoo Answers was removed without explanation, but I have received one valid answer so far on Spiritualforums.
 
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Thank you for this "bone" fromdownunder. When you haven't eaten anything for 6 months, perhaps just a bone may look like a big meal ;)
However, I believe that the quality of your response has now become so low, that, I am afraid, I cannot consider here that you have provided a valid, quality answer, that I can use in my final analysis of the results (even though I acknowledge that one of your three answers is numerically correct). I am more getting an impression here that your goal is to mock me, and my "most careful analyses", and I am not feeling that you are trying to contribute in a meaningful way in a "top quality" scientific experiment.
Can't you provide something better?

In view of the difficulties in getting valid numerical answers for my extra-sensory perception test on this forum (it was easier a few years back, I guess, but I like to obtain sustained results, not just one or two-shot things), I have actually started this test (with the same target number) on two other "forums": one is Yahoo Answers, and the other one is Spiritualforums.com. My question on Yahoo Answers was removed without explanation, but I have received one valid answer so far on Spiritualforums.


Of note what you consider valid.


Do the result even matter to you at this point? This is a futile endeavor. You're going to filter the results to get an arbitrary percentage that only has meaning for you.

Meanwhile everyone else will hopelessly point out the countless flaws in the test and you'll ignore everything and repeat the process again.
 
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(and I thank again all their authors) do actually provide some "proof" of my telepathy, simply because it is hard to imagine that four different authors could have written such serious, totally devoid of sarcasm posts if there was not some real ESP phenomenon in connection with said Michel H.

I had to laugh at the totally devoid of sarcasm.
Lets look at one of those posts without the bits you snipped....

I am hearing Michel H's thoughts. All of them.

As per usual, he has externally expressed thoughts and private thoughts.
The private thoughts, which to me are as clear as the externally expressed thoughts make it crystal clear that his whole schtick about his mother is almost entirely untrue, apart from the urging to take medication.

Michel H, I can literally hear the cognitive dissonance grind in your mind.

Not to mention mine which followed it.
I believe every single word of this post.

I too am hearing Michel H's thoughts, currently he is hungry and considering ordering a Pizza with extra Pineapple.
Or perhaps these are my thoughts...

Which was also filled with sarcasm.
Michel, you need help and its not help anyone here is qualified to provide.
 
Unfortunately I have not yet seen people ever abandon a thread by request. I don't think it is even legal to make the request or to point out a concern about any poster.

I can only urge posters n this thread to look at its history and act appropriately. My own decision is that responding has not been helpful.
 
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